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What ranking would I need to transfer from Berkeley to HYS? I'm interested in academia, or at least in keeping that option open for the long term. I'm paying sticker but I will graduate with zero debt.

Would it be sufficient if one has H H H first semester then HH HH HH second semester?

Berkeley's grading system:
HH - top 10%
H - next 30%
P - bottom 60%

Disclaimer: My fall grades were H H H. With one H being literally 3 points away from an HH and I already have a LOR from that Professor that states that.

First of all, why are you so desperate to transfer to YHS? The fact that you failed to specify one in particular indicates that you don't have a particular reason to transfer other than prestige whoring. And if you have the grades at Berkeley to get into YHS, you can essentially do anything that you'd be able to do from those schools. Most on here would rightly encourage you not to throw away excellent grades just to go up a few spots on USNWR.

That being said, you're gonna have to do a lot better than straight H's. You probably need a minimum of 3 HH's to have a decent shot, meaning you'd have to be top 10% in 3/4 classes. A letter from your professor is about as useful as an addendum in your law school application stating that you were sick on LSAT test day.

SLS_AMG wrote:First of all, why are you so desperate to transfer to YHS? The fact that you failed to specify one in particular indicates that you don't have a particular reason to transfer other than prestige whoring. And if you have the grades at Berkeley to get into YHS, you can essentially do anything that you'd be able to do from those schools. Most on here would rightly encourage you not to throw away excellent grades just to go up a few spots on USNWR.

That being said, you're gonna have to do a lot better than straight H's. You probably need a minimum of 3 HH's to have a decent shot, meaning you'd have to be top 10% in 3/4 classes. A letter from your professor is about as useful as an addendum in your law school application stating that you were sick on LSAT test day.

Lol. Relax.

since im a masochist, could you please explain this

I'm paying sticker but I will graduate with zero debt.

fats provolone wrote:since im a masochist, could you please explain this

I'm paying sticker but I will graduate with zero debt.

sticker price without loans means SCRILLA

ballcaps wrote:

fats provolone wrote:since im a masochist, could you please explain this

I'm paying sticker but I will graduate with zero debt.

sticker price without loans means SCRILLA

yes i know i want to hear about it

SLS_AMG wrote:The fact that you failed to specify one in particular indicates that you don't have a particular reason to transfer other than prestige whoring. And if you have the grades at Berkeley to get into YHS, you can essentially do anything that you'd be able to do from those schools. Most on here would rightly encourage you not to throw away excellent grades just to go up a few spots on USNWR.

Don't be an asshole. Throwing around the phrase "prestige whoring" may be a great way to vent one's own anxieties over perceived inadequacy, but it isn't helpful to OP's question. If you can't think of anything useful to say and can only denigrate other people, just keep your mouth closed.

OP, wanting the additional esteem/respect that may accompany a YHS degree is a perfectly legitimate reason to transfer. I would think carefully about the decision, because even though you are paying sticker now, you would still have a lot to give up (LR opportunities, relationships with professors, friendships, general life upheaval), but if I were in your situation, I would also be giving strong thought to transferring. Your grades are good, and keep in mind that a person who is in the top 30% in three separate courses is probably much higher ranked than top 30% overall, given that grades are assigned independently of one another. To answer your question, no one knows; YHS admissions is truly a black box. People you wouldn't expect get admitted each year, and people you wouldn't expect get rejected each year. Your first semester grades are good, but the better your grades are second semester, the better your transfer odds will be, obviously. I know you want some reassurance, but no one can give you that. Bust your ass next semester and try to get the highest grades possible. That should be your only focus now.

H is more of a green box

Longtimecoming19 wrote:

SLS_AMG wrote:The fact that you failed to specify one in particular indicates that you don't have a particular reason to transfer other than prestige whoring. And if you have the grades at Berkeley to get into YHS, you can essentially do anything that you'd be able to do from those schools. Most on here would rightly encourage you not to throw away excellent grades just to go up a few spots on USNWR.

Don't be an asshole. Throwing around the phrase "prestige whoring" may be a great way to vent one's own anxieties over perceived inadequacy, but it isn't helpful to OP's question. If you can't think of anything useful to say and can only denigrate other people, just keep your mouth closed.

OP, wanting the additional esteem/respect that may accompany a YHS degree is a perfectly legitimate reason to transfer. I would think carefully about the decision, because even though you are paying sticker now, you would still have a lot to give up (LR opportunities, relationships with professors, friendships, general life upheaval), but if I were in your situation, I would also be giving strong thought to transferring. Your grades are good, and keep in mind that a person who is in the top 30% in three separate courses is probably much higher ranked than top 30% overall, given that grades are assigned independently of one another. To answer your question, no one knows; YHS admissions is truly a black box. People you wouldn't expect get admitted each year, and people you wouldn't expect get rejected each year. Your first semester grades are good, but the better your grades are second semester, the better your transfer odds will be, obviously. I know you want some reassurance, but no one can give you that. Bust your ass next semester and try to get the highest grades possible. That should be your only focus now.

Don't be a dumbass. You contributed nothing to this thread. H is a black box? LOL. No. Just no. You also can't even do math. H is top 40% at Boalt, not top 30%.

Also, my post was not intended to denigrate OP; rather, it was intended to give him/her a swift kick in the nuts to do some soul-searching. Prestige whoring alone is a terrible reason to transfer. Unless OP wants to go to Yale to be an academic, he/she is going to be judged based on 1L grades at Boalt, and any job is attainable at any of these four schools.

OP: straight H's puts you at roughly top 25–30% at Boalt. You need to be top 10% to feel good about transferring. Good luck.

SLS_AMG wrote:

Longtimecoming19 wrote:

SLS_AMG wrote:The fact that you failed to specify one in particular indicates that you don't have a particular reason to transfer other than prestige whoring. And if you have the grades at Berkeley to get into YHS, you can essentially do anything that you'd be able to do from those schools. Most on here would rightly encourage you not to throw away excellent grades just to go up a few spots on USNWR.

Don't be an asshole. Throwing around the phrase "prestige whoring" may be a great way to vent one's own anxieties over perceived inadequacy, but it isn't helpful to OP's question. If you can't think of anything useful to say and can only denigrate other people, just keep your mouth closed.

OP, wanting the additional esteem/respect that may accompany a YHS degree is a perfectly legitimate reason to transfer. I would think carefully about the decision, because even though you are paying sticker now, you would still have a lot to give up (LR opportunities, relationships with professors, friendships, general life upheaval), but if I were in your situation, I would also be giving strong thought to transferring. Your grades are good, and keep in mind that a person who is in the top 30% in three separate courses is probably much higher ranked than top 30% overall, given that grades are assigned independently of one another. To answer your question, no one knows; YHS admissions is truly a black box. People you wouldn't expect get admitted each year, and people you wouldn't expect get rejected each year. Your first semester grades are good, but the better your grades are second semester, the better your transfer odds will be, obviously. I know you want some reassurance, but no one can give you that. Bust your ass next semester and try to get the highest grades possible. That should be your only focus now.

H is a black box? LOL. No. Just no. You also can't even do math. H is top 40% at Boalt, not top 30%.

Prestige whoring alone is a terrible reason to transfer. Unless OP wants to go to Yale to be an academic, he/she is going to be judged based on 1L grades at Boalt, and any job is attainable at any of these four schools.

OP: straight H's puts you at roughly top 25–30% at Boalt. You need to be top 10% to feel good about transferring. Good luck.

What you call prestige-whoring is what other people call wanting to spend the rest of their lives with a degree from one of the top schools in the field. The only people who use terms like "prestige whoring" are people who did not get into top schools and resent those who do. That phrase says nothing about its target and everything about its user. I am sorry that you were rejected by YHS but that is no reason to take out your frustration on me or OP.

Also, you apparently have no clue what I was saying math-wise. If a single H puts you in the top 30% in a single course, then three H's puts you in a substantially better position than top 30% of your class. This is also true even if, as you claim, an H actually puts you in the top 40% of your class. This can be demonstrated very simply. If you flip a coin, your odds of landing a heads would be 50%. If you flipped three coins, however, your odds of landing three heads would be much lower than 50% - they would be (.5)^3, or 12.5%. Of course, this is not a perfect comparison, because the outcomes of coin flips are completely independent of one another, whereas there is good reason to expect that a person who does very well in Torts is likelier than the average student to do very well in Civ Pro, who is likelier than the average student to do very well in Contracts, etc. This is very simple, very basic statistics, and your total failure to understand that means you are not in a position to be advising anybody about their likely class rank.

Also, you are ignoring the fact that a federal clerkship will be much easier to obtain from YHS than from OP's current school.

Longtimecoming19 wrote:

SLS_AMG wrote:

Longtimecoming19 wrote:

SLS_AMG wrote:The fact that you failed to specify one in particular indicates that you don't have a particular reason to transfer other than prestige whoring. And if you have the grades at Berkeley to get into YHS, you can essentially do anything that you'd be able to do from those schools. Most on here would rightly encourage you not to throw away excellent grades just to go up a few spots on USNWR.

Don't be an asshole. Throwing around the phrase "prestige whoring" may be a great way to vent one's own anxieties over perceived inadequacy, but it isn't helpful to OP's question. If you can't think of anything useful to say and can only denigrate other people, just keep your mouth closed.

OP, wanting the additional esteem/respect that may accompany a YHS degree is a perfectly legitimate reason to transfer. I would think carefully about the decision, because even though you are paying sticker now, you would still have a lot to give up (LR opportunities, relationships with professors, friendships, general life upheaval), but if I were in your situation, I would also be giving strong thought to transferring. Your grades are good, and keep in mind that a person who is in the top 30% in three separate courses is probably much higher ranked than top 30% overall, given that grades are assigned independently of one another. To answer your question, no one knows; YHS admissions is truly a black box. People you wouldn't expect get admitted each year, and people you wouldn't expect get rejected each year. Your first semester grades are good, but the better your grades are second semester, the better your transfer odds will be, obviously. I know you want some reassurance, but no one can give you that. Bust your ass next semester and try to get the highest grades possible. That should be your only focus now.

H is a black box? LOL. No. Just no. You also can't even do math. H is top 40% at Boalt, not top 30%.

Prestige whoring alone is a terrible reason to transfer. Unless OP wants to go to Yale to be an academic, he/she is going to be judged based on 1L grades at Boalt, and any job is attainable at any of these four schools.

OP: straight H's puts you at roughly top 25–30% at Boalt. You need to be top 10% to feel good about transferring. Good luck.

What you call "prestige whoring" is what other people call wanting to spend the rest of their lives with a degree from one of the top schools in the field. The only people who use terms like "prestige whoring" are people who did not get into top schools and resent those who do. That phrase says nothing about its target and everything about its user. I am sorry that you were rejected by YHS but that is no reason to take out your frustration on me or OP.

Also, you apparently have no clue what I was saying math-wise. If a single H puts you in the top 30% in a single course, then three H's puts you in a substantially better position than top 30% of your class. This is also true even if, as you claim, an H actually puts you in the top 40% of your class. This can be demonstrated very simply. If you flip a coin, your odds of landing a heads would be 50%. If you flipped three coins, however, your odds of landing three heads would be much lower than 50% - they would be (.5)^3, or 12.5%. Of course, this is not a perfect comparison, because the outcomes of coin flips are completely independent of one another, whereas there is good reason to expect that a person who does very well in Torts is likelier than the average student to do very well in Civ Pro, who is likelier than the average student to do very well in Contracts, etc. This is very simple, very basic statistics, and your total failure to understand that means you are not in a position to be advising anybody about their likely class rank.

Also, you are ignoring the fact that a federal clerkship will be much easier to obtain from YHS than from OP's current school.

You both are worthless

OP, you'll want top 10%. Whatever combo of grades gets you that. You may be able to squeeze into HS with top 15%. I included S because most schools seem to take kindly to instate applicants.

Longtimecoming19 wrote:What you call "prestige whoring" is what other people call wanting to spend the rest of their lives with a degree from one of the top schools in the field. The only people who use terms like "prestige whoring" are people who did not get into top schools and resent those who do. That phrase says nothing about its target and everything about its user. I am sorry that you were rejected by YHS but that is no reason to take out your frustration on me or OP.

I'm sorry, but no, this is just wrong.

Also, you are ignoring the fact that a federal clerkship will be much easier to obtain from YHS than from OP's current school.

I don't know that I'd say much easier.

Longtimecoming19 wrote: What you call prestige-whoring is what other people call wanting to spend the rest of their lives with a degree from one of the top schools in the field. The only people who use terms like "prestige whoring" are people who did not get into top schools and resent those who do. That phrase says nothing about its target and everything about its user. I am sorry that you were rejected by YHS but that is no reason to take out your frustration on me or OP.

LOL I go to Yale and use the term all the time, particularly as self-description of several life choices. There is basically nothing more empty than the gratification of being able to tell people you have X fancy degree--trust me, I know. And I've seen no evidence transfers here do better than they would have at their original school in firm jobs or clerkships.

saying you have a prestigious degree is great, let's not discount that too much, but as a transfer you didn't really earn it you just bought it at costco

Elston Gunn wrote:

Longtimecoming19 wrote: What you call prestige-whoring is what other people call wanting to spend the rest of their lives with a degree from one of the top schools in the field. The only people who use terms like "prestige whoring" are people who did not get into top schools and resent those who do. That phrase says nothing about its target and everything about its user. I am sorry that you were rejected by YHS but that is no reason to take out your frustration on me or OP.

LOL I go to Yale and use the term all the time, particularly as self-description of several life choices. There is basically nothing more empty than the gratification of being able to tell people you have X fancy degree--trust me, I know. And I've seen no evidence transfers here do better than they would have at their original school in firm jobs or clerkships.

And good for you. But first, it is very different to self-deprecatingly refer to yourself as a prestige whore and to sling that phrase at someone else in a derogatory way. Second, you have no business defining what sources of gratification are permissible for other people to value, so please don't impose your values on someone who may have different ones. Third, you clearly wouldn't be at Yale if you yourself didn't value the prestige, so once again, you really have no business telling someone else that they are shallow for valuing the same things that you value. You could have transferred out of Yale to a lower-ranked school after your 1L year for a full ride plus a living stipend, easily. You didn't do that. Hell, you probably could have transferred out after your 2L year - I bet some school would have gladly waived the four-semesters requirement to nab a Yale 1L. You didn't do that either. Whether you like to acknowledge it or not, you do value the benefit of saying you have/will have a Yale degree, and so it is hypocritical to disparage OP for feeling the same way.

As for whether someone has a better chance of getting a clerkship from Yale given their 1L performance at their old school, sure, you have no way of knowing. Why would you? This is an empirical question--it can actually be answered if you have the right data. You don't. Your (understandable) ignorance on this matter is irrelevant to whether it is true. Now sure, I can't prove it will help either. But there is at least a sufficient basis for a reasonable person to believe it would.

CounselorNebby wrote:
You both are worthless.

Well, you showed me.

this is a shot in the dark but are you a law student, by any chance?

Longtimecoming19 wrote: ]Third, you clearly wouldn't be at Yale if you yourself didn't value the prestige, so once again, you really have no business telling someone else that they are shallow for valuing the same things that you value. You could have transferred out of Yale to a lower-ranked school after your 1L year for a full ride plus a living stipend, easily. You didn't do that. Hell, you probably could have transferred out after your 2L year - I bet some school would have gladly waived the four-semesters requirement to nab a Yale 1L. You didn't do that either. Whether you like to acknowledge it or not, you do value the benefit of saying you have/will have a Yale degree, and so it is hypocritical to disparage OP for feeling the same way.

Yeah, it's definitely either that or that I value the employment benefits (benefits a transfer barely sees, if it all).

(I of course do still value the prestige, but that's because I'm partially dead on the inside. )

Anyway, you seem incapable of distinguishing "don't make the same mistake I did" advice (as e.g. Fatduck, who did the exact same thing as OP was considering) from horrible insults. OP never even said s/he was doing it for the prestige--maybe s/he mistakenly things the employment opportunities will be dramatically different.

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Is all the Yale discussion hypothetical? Seems like OP has zero chance at Yale.

jumpin munkey wrote:Is all the Yale discussion hypothetical? Seems like OP has zero chance at Yale.

OP getting thrashed in this thread

Longtimecoming19 wrote:The only people who use terms like "prestige whoring" are people who did not get into top schools and resent those who do.

I graduated from one of HYS and I use the term "prestige whore." I'll even use it in a sentence: "You, Longtimecoming19, seem like something of a prestige whore."

You shouldn't make categorical assertions that are so easy to disprove. Given that you're evidently not smart enough to understand that, I suspect that you didn't go to a prestigious law school like I did.

fats provolone wrote:

ballcaps wrote:

fats provolone wrote:since im a masochist, could you please explain this

I'm paying sticker but I will graduate with zero debt.

sticker price without loans means SCRILLA

yes i know i want to hear about it

Generous parents.

Another question: does it matter if we skip con law during spring 2015 in order to take an elective? can we do con law at our transfer school during 2l?

Anonymous User wrote:Another question: does it matter if we skip con law during spring 2015 in order to take an elective? can we do con law at our transfer school during 2l?

Yeah you can. But might as well take it now.