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Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:59 pm**

How are your grades at the mid-T2? Where is it? Where do you want to practice? Usually I'd just say stay in this case, but depending on how you respond a change might make sense.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:01 pm**

20 per year? That's a lot. I doubt you'll have a better shot at big firms than were you are now.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:07 pm**

Depends on what the T2 is and what your goals are. Need more info.

*T2 that owns its market w/$$ > WUSTL Sticker > T2 with heavy competition in its market

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:07 pm**

magicman554 wrote:How are your grades at the mid-T2? Where is it? Where do you want to practice? Usually I'd just say stay in this case, but depending on how you respond a change might make sense.

Top 10-12%
change of location would be good

Desert Fox wrote:20 per year? That's a lot. I doubt you'll have a better shot at big firms than were you are now.

20k a year includes room and board

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:08 pm**

Flustercluck wrote:Depends on what the T2 is and what your goals are. Need more info.

my goal is to actually get a job. big law would be nice, but I know nothing is guaranteed.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:12 pm**

uzpakalis wrote:
Flustercluck wrote:Depends on what the T2 is and what your goals are. Need more info.
my goal is to actually get a job. big law would be nice, but I know nothing is guaranteed.

Well, to be fair, the odds of getting a a job that can cover your debt from the T2 versus the odds of getting a job that covers your debt from WUSTL depends entirely on the school. A a T2 like Temple that or IUIndy that does strong in its market is a safer bet, a T2 like Loyola that gets creamed by big dogs in the same city not so much...

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:12 pm**

Flustercluck wrote:Depends on what the T2 is and what your goals are. Need more info.

*T2 that owns its market w/$$ > WUSTL Sticker > T2 with heavy competition in its market

What exactly is a T2 that owns its market?

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:15 pm**

uzpakalis wrote:
Flustercluck wrote:Depends on what the T2 is and what your goals are. Need more info.

*T2 that owns its market w/$$ > WUSTL Sticker > T2 with heavy competition in its market
What exactly is a T2 that owns its market?

Temple (most Penn grads flee to NYC), Pittsburgh, Oregon, etc.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:16 pm**

uzpakalis wrote:
magicman554 wrote:How are your grades at the mid-T2? Where is it? Where do you want to practice? Usually I'd just say stay in this case, but depending on how you respond a change might make sense.
Top 10-12%
change of location would be good

Desert Fox wrote:20 per year? That's a lot. I doubt you'll have a better shot at big firms than were you are now.
20k a year includes room and board

Oh I thought you had a 20K scholarship. 20 total is cheap as hell. I'd stay.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:18 pm**

Moved to transfer forum, for less confusion.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:23 pm**

It might help if you identified your current law school.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:32 pm**

The answer is it depends (I selected WUSTL in the poll).

20/k per year expenses or 20k/year tuition? How does your school place at the place you want to work? Does WUSTL place well in the place you want to work? Will your current school raise your scholarship due to academic performance (often will if you threaten to transfer).

Based on the lack of information available I would say go to WUSTL. However, your answers to the above questions could easily make staying at your T2 the better choice.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:33 pm**

CanadianWolf wrote:It might help if you identified your current law school.

don't want to give the name, it's a mid tier 2.

I imagine it would cost an extra 75k to attend WUSTL (if I have to pay sticker). Any possibility of merit or need based grants?

20k tuition, family pays the rest, but COL is much higher in STL so I would need to chip in/borrow. I imagine that I could negotiate more $ from current school if I had other options. WUSTL seems to own the midwest, so, that's a big plus for me.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:35 pm**

uzpakalis wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:It might help if you identified your current law school.
don't want to give the name, it's a mid tier 2.

I imagine it would cost an extra 75k to attend WUSTL (if I have to pay sticker). Any possibility of merit or need based grants?

You can't get useful advice without that information. If you'd rather PM, go for it, but otherwise you're SOL

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:56 pm**

uzpakalis wrote:
magicman554 wrote:How are your grades at the mid-T2? Where is it? Where do you want to practice? Usually I'd just say stay in this case, but depending on how you respond a change might make sense.
Top 10-12%
change of location would be good

Desert Fox wrote:20 per year? That's a lot. I doubt you'll have a better shot at big firms than were you are now.
20k a year includes room and board

Need to know the T2, and what area you want to practice in. So far I'm 80% leaning toward stay, since being top of your class at a T2 should help you fare well @ OCI, and 20K/year isn't peanuts.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:45 pm**

What is with so many students wanting to transfer into WUSTL lately? Aim higher or stay where you are.

Posted: **Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:50 pm**

concurrent fork wrote:What is with so many students wanting to transfer into WUSTL lately? Aim higher or stay where you are.

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Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:39 am**

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the way hiring goes, but OCI is major. Many reliable sources (including lots of fellow TLSers) indicate that firms look at you as if you had not transferred. In other words, when you interview after your first year, they basically evaluate you as if they are evaluating someone from your old school with your old grades and rank. The only real exceptions are if you transferred to HYS, or maybe even CCN, because, hey, another T6 diploma on the wall never hurt any law firm.

In short, if this is just about job prospects, you should stay. Otherwise, stop being such a hermit and fork over more info.

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:03 pm**

uzpakalis wrote:
concurrent fork wrote:What is with so many students wanting to transfer into WUSTL lately? Aim higher or stay where you are.
I would like to aim higher, but i'm trying to stay realistic. Care to elaborate a bit more?

A transfer into WUSTL (or any T30) is not going to have a significantly better shot at biglaw than a top 10% student at a T2, especially if the T2 student makes LR. You would be absorbing an additional 75K in debt for roughly similar job prospects (perhaps even worse depending on your T2).

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:28 pm**

concurrent fork wrote:
uzpakalis wrote:
concurrent fork wrote:What is with so many students wanting to transfer into WUSTL lately? Aim higher or stay where you are.
I would like to aim higher, but i'm trying to stay realistic. Care to elaborate a bit more?
A transfer into WUSTL (or any T30) is not going to have a significantly better shot at biglaw than a top 10% student at a T2, especially if the T2 student makes LR. You would be absorbing an additional 75K in debt for roughly similar job prospects (perhaps even worse depending on your T2).

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Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:30 pm**

uzpakalis wrote:A lot of what I am hearing sounds like T14 or bust....

Without a sound reason, even transferring to some T14s would likely be a mistake. You're going to graduate with only about $60K in debt, which is a lot less than most people attending schools in your range, plus you have rather strong grades so you'll likely do better than most of your classmates in the job hunt.

You need to know what you're doing and why you're doing it, and only then can you really weigh transferring to any school vs. staying put.

Posted: **Sat Jan 29, 2011 9:05 pm**

concurrent fork wrote:What is with so many students wanting to transfer into WUSTL lately? Aim higher or stay where you are.

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