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No we didn't. They were all from the class of 2010. I don't know of anyone in the last batch (which I read to mean class of 2011) who got Cravath offers.como wrote:we've even got three Cravaths out of the last batch
Sorry about the misinformation. I haven't looked at the list in awhile. Still, I think my conclusion stands strong. I still believe that you should stay where you are, barring personal reasons for going to Columbia (family/friends/hate your current city/school).arstech wrote:No we didn't. They were all from the class of 2010. I don't know of anyone in the last batch (which I read to mean class of 2011) who got Cravath offers.como wrote:we've even got three Cravaths out of the last batch
I know of at least one 2011 Cravath offer that was turned down.como wrote:Sorry about the misinformation. I haven't looked at the list in awhile. Still, I think my conclusion stands strong. I still believe that you should stay where you are, barring personal reasons for going to Columbia (family/friends/hate your current city/school).arstech wrote:No we didn't. They were all from the class of 2010. I don't know of anyone in the last batch (which I read to mean class of 2011) who got Cravath offers.como wrote:we've even got three Cravaths out of the last batch
Precisely. Also, you have the big-fish/small-fish consideration. If you're at GULC, it's irrelevant, but I'm pretty sure Cornell and NU are significantly smaller than CLS. Correct me if I'm wrong.MisterBragi wrote:Thanks to everyone who has voted or commented, or both. I am definitely hearing what you're saying, but I don't understand the risk that people keep bringing up regarding transferring to Columbia. I didn't think my fall recruiting prospects would be hurt that much, if at all, by the transfer. Employers will see my 1L grades, and that I transferred to a better school, right? Also, I'll likely have access to more West Coast firms and offices, and more interviews in general. And, although it's not a done deal, I have heard most transfers at Columbia get on journals, usually their first or second choices, so at least I'd have something to put on that line of the resume (although that info is anecdotal, of course).
So, what is the risk? Is the risk more in regards to long-term clerkship and prestigious government job issues? (Like, if I show up at Columbia in the Fall and can't come close to replicating my 1L performance, which I acknowledge is a very real possibility in a more competitive pool?)
Anyway, anyone who commented on the risk factor - would love to hear you expound. My thoughts going into this were that it was essentially a wash in regards to professional prospects, which is why I wanted to get some advice. It's good to get these perspectives, so thanks again.
idk if it's an issue of risk, but at least of perception during interviews: why xfer? it seems prestige whorish without a good reason, and while i'm drawing arbitrary distinctions, i can only envision it being worthwhile for HYS--those schools it would seem feasible to answer the "why xfer out of [lower t14] with top 10% and LR for [HYS] school" question with "ummm HYS" and it just make intuitive sense). it just doesn't seem to make sense to do it for columbia w/o another reason.MisterBragi wrote:Thanks to everyone who has voted or commented, or both. I am definitely hearing what you're saying, but I don't understand the risk that people keep bringing up regarding transferring to Columbia. I didn't think my fall recruiting prospects would be hurt that much, if at all, by the transfer. Employers will see my 1L grades, and that I transferred to a better school, right? Also, I'll likely have access to more West Coast firms and offices, and more interviews in general. And, although it's not a done deal, I have heard most transfers at Columbia get on journals, usually their first or second choices, so at least I'd have something to put on that line of the resume (although that info is anecdotal, of course).
So, what is the risk? Is the risk more in regards to long-term clerkship and prestigious government job issues? (Like, if I show up at Columbia in the Fall and can't come close to replicating my 1L performance, which I acknowledge is a very real possibility in a more competitive pool?)
Anyway, anyone who commented on the risk factor - would love to hear you expound. My thoughts going into this were that it was essentially a wash in regards to professional prospects, which is why I wanted to get some advice. It's good to get these perspectives, so thanks again.
Broski. Firms hire you before your 2L year. They barely expect you to know what a law firm IS much less have a 'specialty'. They couldn't give two shits about your school's clinical offerings.MisterBragi wrote:And, I hear it's more and more important to be able to market yourself to firms as having some kind of specialization (in my case, within litigation), as long as it's not something exceedingly rare to practice in like human rights or international law, and as long it's in one of the firm's established practice areas.
God fucking damn it. HE IS IN THE TOP 10% OF HIS CLASS AND ON MOTHER FUCKING LAW REVIEW. The differences in big law placement are largest prior to taking into account performance and smallest once you have already crushed the competition beneath your heel.on_ne_sait_jamais wrote:Not to be a NU troll... Well okay to be an NU troll... NU is not in the same category as Cornell and Gtown when it comes to big law placement... It's not even close. NU>>>cornell/gtown,
Mind backing that up? What percentage of 2011 is a SA right now?on_ne_sait_jamais wrote:Not to be a NU troll... Well okay to be an NU troll... NU is not in the same category as Cornell and Gtown when it comes to big law placement... It's not even close. NU>>>cornell/gtown,
Are you serious? Look at any biglaw placement ranking over the past 5 years.como wrote:Mind backing that up? What percentage of 2011 is a SA right now?on_ne_sait_jamais wrote:Not to be a NU troll... Well okay to be an NU troll... NU is not in the same category as Cornell and Gtown when it comes to big law placement... It's not even close. NU>>>cornell/gtown,
are YOU serious? this summer is the first real test of a school's placement power ITEon_ne_sait_jamais wrote:Are you serious? Look at any biglaw placement ranking over the past 5 years.como wrote:Mind backing that up? What percentage of 2011 is a SA right now?on_ne_sait_jamais wrote:Not to be a NU troll... Well okay to be an NU troll... NU is not in the same category as Cornell and Gtown when it comes to big law placement... It's not even close. NU>>>cornell/gtown,
You're dense. The fact that firms have hired less students overall, does not mean that firms will hire less NU students in comparison to Cornell and Gtown students respectively. The absolute placement disparity which results in the status quo of NU>>>> Cornell/Gtown, is just that-The status quo.doyleoil wrote:are YOU serious? this summer is the first real test of a school's placement power ITEon_ne_sait_jamais wrote:Are you serious? Look at any biglaw placement ranking over the past 5 years.como wrote:Mind backing that up? What percentage of 2011 is a SA right now?on_ne_sait_jamais wrote:Not to be a NU troll... Well okay to be an NU troll... NU is not in the same category as Cornell and Gtown when it comes to big law placement... It's not even close. NU>>>cornell/gtown,
welcome to the new reality:
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Until you offer numbers, your assertions are worthless. We got 40-45%. What did you get?on_ne_sait_jamais wrote: You're dense. The fact that firms have hired less students overall, does not mean that firms will hire less NU students in comparison to Cornell and Gtown students respectively. The absolute placement disparity which results in the status quo of NU>>>> Cornell/Gtown, is just that-The status quo.
You're ridiculous. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you agree that NU places better than Cornell/Gtown. The stats from pre- 09' you're not disputing, but you are disputing that post 09' NU maintained it's signficant advantage over Cornell/Gtown. And that advantage has now decreased so as not to warrant three greater than symbols. Furthermore, until I provide stats, everything that I say is unwarranted.como wrote:Until you offer numbers, your assertions are worthless. We got 40-45%. What did you get?on_ne_sait_jamais wrote: You're dense. The fact that firms have hired less students overall, does not mean that firms will hire less NU students in comparison to Cornell and Gtown students respectively. The absolute placement disparity which results in the status quo of NU>>>> Cornell/Gtown, is just that-The status quo.
Also, I'm not going to go through the trouble of linking the source, but you can easily find it on ATL. I'm not bragging, I just want you to substantiate your claim with some evidence. I wouldn't doubt that NU places slightly more students in biglaw, but I think four "greater than" signs is overstating the case.