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-Finished 1L at a bottom T14 school.
-1L yr gpa is 3.3.
-Under grad gpa is 3.7
-LSAT is 164
-Not a an URM (under-represented minority)
-two years work experience as a paralegal

What are my odds at Penn, Chicago, NYU, Columbia, Stanford, Harvard?
Thanks everyone

What's median at your school? Any way you can estimate rank/percentile?

So, your question is whether finishing 1L at/below the midpoint of your class will allow you to transfer to a school that would have rejected you as a 0L?

I don't think this is going to happen. Probably need top 1/3 or so to get into CCN from wherever you're at. You may be able to lateral to a comparable school if you're looking for a fresh start, but your grades will follow you for OCI...

Also, not to be picky, but there's no such thing as the T7, and as long as I'm alive I'll make sure there isn't such a thing.

You need to start doing better at your current school and you do have some time.

Moving up when you haven't proved yourself is just silly.

dbt wrote:
Also, not to be picky, but there's no such thing as the T7, and as long as I'm alive I'll make sure there isn't such a thing.

And if he fails, I'll make sure it isn't YHSCCNP.

Renzo wrote:

dbt wrote:
Also, not to be picky, but there's no such thing as the T7, and as long as I'm alive I'll make sure there isn't such a thing.

And if he fails, I'll make sure it isn't YHSCCNP.

Yea let's be real. If it's T7, it's gonna be V.

wandc wrote:-Finished 1L at a bottom T14 school.
-1L yr gpa is 3.3.
-Under grad gpa is 3.7
-LSAT is 164
-Not a an URM (under-represented minority)
-two years work experience as a paralegal

What are my odds at Penn, Chicago, NYU, Columbia, Stanford, Harvard?
Thanks everyone

... You got into a T-14, non-URM, with a 3.7/164?

Would you want advice from a poster who didn't know what URM means?

NoleinNY wrote:
... You got into a T-14, non-URM, with a 3.7/164?

I was wondering the same thing.

Obvious flame is obvious.

AngryAvocado wrote:Obvious flame is obvious.

Appetizing avocado is appetizing?

Also where have you been?

dbt wrote:I don't think this is going to happen. Probably need top 1/3 or so to get into CCN from wherever you're at. You may be able to lateral to a comparable school if you're looking for a fresh start, but your grades will follow you for OCI...

Also, not to be picky, but there's no such thing as the T7, and as long as I'm alive I'll make sure there isn't such a thing.

Not to nitpick, but they won't exactly follow you upon transferring; firms essentially treat you as though you're at the median at your new school-- that seems to be the consensus on here, at least. Your GPA resets when you transfer.

MusicNutMeggie wrote:

dbt wrote:I don't think this is going to happen. Probably need top 1/3 or so to get into CCN from wherever you're at. You may be able to lateral to a comparable school if you're looking for a fresh start, but your grades will follow you for OCI...

Also, not to be picky, but there's no such thing as the T7, and as long as I'm alive I'll make sure there isn't such a thing.

Not to nitpick, but they won't exactly follow you upon transferring; firms essentially treat you as though you're at the median at your new school-- that seems to be the consensus on here, at least. Your GPA resets when you transfer.

That is not the impression I've gotten at all. Firms have to judge you based on something, and they're going to look at your grades and the school you're coming from. I don't think you can fool them so easily.

Edit: Also, I don't necessarily mean that you'd fool them either. If someone that's at a T6, top 10% transfers up to H, it would be a slap in the face to be treated like a median H student.

dbt wrote:

MusicNutMeggie wrote:

dbt wrote:I don't think this is going to happen. Probably need top 1/3 or so to get into CCN from wherever you're at. You may be able to lateral to a comparable school if you're looking for a fresh start, but your grades will follow you for OCI...

Also, not to be picky, but there's no such thing as the T7, and as long as I'm alive I'll make sure there isn't such a thing.

Not to nitpick, but they won't exactly follow you upon transferring; firms essentially treat you as though you're at the median at your new school-- that seems to be the consensus on here, at least. Your GPA resets when you transfer.

That is not the impression I've gotten at all. Firms have to judge you based on something, and they're going to look at your grades and the school you're coming from. I don't think you can fool them so easily.

They definitely don't treat you as median of your new school. It is closer to what dbt said. Generally, it seems that you can double your class rank as a general rule of how firms will treat your grades. For example, if you were top 10% at your old school, you will be as successful as the top 20% of your new school. Obviously this varies depending on the degree of difference between the two schools.

dbt wrote:

Renzo wrote:

dbt wrote:
Also, not to be picky, but there's no such thing as the T7, and as long as I'm alive I'll make sure there isn't such a thing.

And if he fails, I'll make sure it isn't YHSCCNP.

Yea let's be real. If it's T7, it's gonna be V.

Blatant anti-B trolling: I love it.

Is it? I always though Berkeley was a great school but that it somehow slipped past MVP without ever having the stats to back it up.

dbt wrote:Is it? I always though Berkeley was a great school but that it somehow slipped past MVP without ever having the stats to back it up.

I don't disagree in the least. USNWR has been giving pro-B trolls ammo as of late, and that's about it as far as I can tell.

stratocophic wrote:

dbt wrote:Is it? I always though Berkeley was a great school but that it somehow slipped past MVP without ever having the stats to back it up.

I don't disagree in the least. USNWR has been giving pro-B trolls ammo as of late, and that's about it as far as I can tell.

None of the lower T13 are the seventh. They all suck fairly equally.

Desert Fox wrote:

stratocophic wrote:

dbt wrote:Is it? I always though Berkeley was a great school but that it somehow slipped past MVP without ever having the stats to back it up.

I don't disagree in the least. USNWR has been giving pro-B trolls ammo as of late, and that's about it as far as I can tell.

None of the lower T13 are the seventh. They all suck fairly equally.

Wouldn't that make them all the seventh?

Desert Fox wrote:

stratocophic wrote:

dbt wrote:Is it? I always though Berkeley was a great school but that it somehow slipped past MVP without ever having the stats to back it up.

I don't disagree in the least. USNWR has been giving pro-B trolls ammo as of late, and that's about it as far as I can tell.

None of the lower T13 are the seventh. They all suck fairly equally.

C'mon, Cornell surely sucks more than MVP. Otherwise, your point is well taken. I think MVPBDN is the most muddled group of six schools until you get out of the Top20 or so.

This isn't a flame. I'm obviously lucky to be where I'm at right now given my crappy numbers. I'm just playing the game (better than many of you).

wandc wrote:This isn't a flame. I'm obviously lucky to be where I'm at right now given my crappy numbers. I'm just playing the game (better than many of you).

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Rand M. wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:

stratocophic wrote:

dbt wrote:Is it? I always though Berkeley was a great school but that it somehow slipped past MVP without ever having the stats to back it up.

I don't disagree in the least. USNWR has been giving pro-B trolls ammo as of late, and that's about it as far as I can tell.

None of the lower T13 are the seventh. They all suck fairly equally.

C'mon, Cornell surely sucks more than MVP. Otherwise, your point is well taken. I think MVPBDN is the most muddled group of six schools until you get out of the Top20 or so.

Its the worst T13 to attend, but before ITE their placement was solid, last year they got killed by no offers. If that year becomes a trend I will conceed the point.