Official 2010 Transfer Cycle Results Thread Forum

[jlockhart6]

Susan Estrich, Molly Munger and Steve English all think I should transfer (all close family friends).
A trial lawyer at the SEC thinks I should transfer (he went to NYU).
My new girlfriend thinks I should transfer (but she is very young and doesn't know much about law schools).
A friend of mine who transferred from Whittier to USD and made LR at both thinks I should transfer.
Another very good friend who went to LLS thinks I should transfer (very successful but no journals).

The only people saying I should stay are on this forum...

It really sounds like you have already made your mind up ... if so stop worrying about this forum and go with your gut, no reason to cause extra stress if you are sure that leaving is what you want to do.

[Danteshek]

Susan Estrich, Molly Munger and Steve English all think I should transfer (all close family friends).
A trial lawyer at the SEC thinks I should transfer (he went to NYU).
My new girlfriend thinks I should transfer (but she is very young and doesn't know much about law schools).
A friend of mine who transferred from Whittier to USD and made LR at both thinks I should transfer.
Another very good friend who went to LLS thinks I should transfer (very successful but no journals).

The only people saying I should stay are on this forum...

It really sounds like you have already made your mind up ... if so stop worrying about this forum and go with your gut, no reason to cause extra stress if you are sure that leaving is what you want to do.

Leaving is not what I want to do. Leaving is what nearly everyone whom I respect thinks I should do. And on the basis of that, I will leave.

I'm getting pumped about kicking some ass in the LLS write on Time to read the blue book 4-5 more times

[Bankhead]

You had me at Susan Estrich.

[A'nold]

You had me at Susan Estrich.

[ClemsonGrad]

at this point i just want to know!! i mean i really want to get into my schools:: uga, ga state. top 20% at a tier 3. and i'm about to be homeless in a week because my lease runs out. i'm crossing my fingers for those of ya'll in the same position

Amen brother. Hopefully today is the day.

[accent]

Susan Estrich, Molly Munger and Steve English all think I should transfer (all close family friends).
A trial lawyer at the SEC thinks I should transfer (he went to NYU).
My new girlfriend thinks I should transfer (but she is very young and doesn't know much about law schools).
A friend of mine who transferred from Whittier to USD and made LR at both thinks I should transfer.
Another very good friend who went to LLS thinks I should transfer (very successful but no journals).

The only people saying I should stay are on this forum...

I also said "transfer".

[habaptist]

rejected from Yale 7/19 by email
top 4% at T2
(knew this was coming)

[patrickd139]

WL at GULC, applied EA, T2, Top 6%

[Wolverine21]

Top 2% at a Midwestern T3. WL at GULC and dinged at Northwestern.

Still waiting on Fordham, Columbia, NYU, and Michigan.

This cycle is very competitive this year.

[joobacca]

out at ucla. it was my only transfer app. ~15% T2.

[iheartlaw]

Susan Estrich, Molly Munger and Steve English all think I should transfer (all close family friends).
A trial lawyer at the SEC thinks I should transfer (he went to NYU).
My new girlfriend thinks I should transfer (but she is very young and doesn't know much about law schools).
A friend of mine who transferred from Whittier to USD and made LR at both thinks I should transfer.
Another very good friend who went to LLS thinks I should transfer (very successful but no journals).

The only people saying I should stay are on this forum...

It really sounds like you have already made your mind up ... if so stop worrying about this forum and go with your gut, no reason to cause extra stress if you are sure that leaving is what you want to do.

Leaving is not what I want to do. Leaving is what nearly everyone whom I respect thinks I should do. And on the basis of that, I will leave.

I'm getting pumped about kicking some ass in the LLS write on Time to read the blue book 4-5 more times

People mocked the advice I gave you all long- but I thought and still do believe that you are making the right decision by transferring. Good luck with the write-on!

[triceratops]

In at UC Davis via e-mail!

[A'nold]

It really sounds like you have already made your mind up ... if so stop worrying about this forum and go with your gut, no reason to cause extra stress if you are sure that leaving is what you want to do.

Leaving is not what I want to do. Leaving is what nearly everyone whom I respect thinks I should do. And on the basis of that, I will leave.

I'm getting pumped about kicking some ass in the LLS write on Time to read the blue book 4-5 more times

People mocked the advice I gave you all long- but I thought and still do believe that you are making the right decision by transferring. Good luck with the write-on!

I'm sorry, I like you, but what does your giving this advice "all along" prove at all? It's still crappy advice!


In other news: Congrats triceratops!

[Danteshek]

It really sounds like you have already made your mind up ... if so stop worrying about this forum and go with your gut, no reason to cause extra stress if you are sure that leaving is what you want to do.

Leaving is not what I want to do. Leaving is what nearly everyone whom I respect thinks I should do. And on the basis of that, I will leave.

I'm getting pumped about kicking some ass in the LLS write on Time to read the blue book 4-5 more times

People mocked the advice I gave you all long- but I thought and still do believe that you are making the right decision by transferring. Good luck with the write-on!

I'm sorry, I like you, but what does your giving this advice "all along" prove at all? It's still crappy advice!


In other news: Congrats triceratops!

It proves that iheartlaw understands the legal market in LA. It also proves that several heavyweights in the LA legal community agree with her, and disagree with you.

[A'nold]

Leaving is not what I want to do. Leaving is what nearly everyone whom I respect thinks I should do. And on the basis of that, I will leave.

I'm getting pumped about kicking some ass in the LLS write on Time to read the blue book 4-5 more times

People mocked the advice I gave you all long- but I thought and still do believe that you are making the right decision by transferring. Good luck with the write-on!

I'm sorry, I like you, but what does your giving this advice "all along" prove at all? It's still crappy advice!


In other news: Congrats triceratops!

It proves that iheartlaw understands the legal market in LA. It also proves that several heavyweights in the LA legal community agree with her, and disagree with you.

You shouldn't take things so personally Dante. We are all rooting for you, but you have been blinded by the prospects of a more "prestigeous" school when in all actuality there is no substance behind it. You are giving up a decent rank and law review to transfer to a marginally better school, even if only rankings wise to boot. This is almost as bad as giving up top 20% at U of O and LR to transfer to Lewis and Clark b/c some notable people say it is better than U of O for Portland. If we were talking People's College of Law or something then yeah, but SW top 20% LR to Loyola makes sense only to a madman.

Don't hate the message that everyone on here is giving you. We are actually trying to help. However, it was clear from the very day that you got this idea in your head that you would not listen to reason.

[iheartlaw]

Whatever guys. Don't argue. We are all here to help one another. Truth is there is no right or wrong answer- only choices and risks that we take. Everything is a risk. Leaving my t2 at top 5% to go to a T14 is a risk. It just depends on what risks we are willing to assume, and what opportunities we can make of those risks.

I think A'nold is critical to call you a "madman." ITE things are crazy, difficult, and nothing is guaranteed. Dante STILL has a shot for LR at LLS, and Dante is right to state I know the LA legal market. It is my target legal market, and where I have worked and grown up my whole life. SW is a great school, and going to LLS (#56) from SW (T3) is NOT like U of O (#80) to L & C (#64). In fact it is markedly different. And you fail to acknowledge that Dante has a shot at LLS LR, and that he was one of a very select few to write on to SW LR, which proves that he has the capacity and skill set to do it again. Anyways, we should have just created a separate thread for this discussion- but do what is best for you Dante. Take in to consideration, happiness, short term goals, long term goals, ambitions, and whether you can get to where you want to be down the line. Don't live your life with regrets. If you want Dante, message arrow. He always has such great insight. Considering he went to LLS, I think he will be a perfect person to speak to, and he will likely also know how LLS is for Xfer students. Also call LLS and find out how many students they consider from xfer for their LR or other journals.

Again, I wish you the best of luck. And no matter what decision you make, I am confident that it will be the right choice.

[Machine Spirit]

Don't hate the message that everyone on here is giving you. We are actually trying to help. However, it was clear from the very day that you got this idea in your head that you would not listen to reason.

I don't know about "not listen[ing] to reason," but I would agree that Dante pretty much had his mind made up before he even asked the question. I mean, if you go a few posts back, you'll see that while the general consensus on the forum was that he was better off staying, his reply was "wow, I'm glad there's so much controversy." What controversy was there at that point? The posts were almost overwhelmingly in favor of him staying at his current school.

I don't really see why this discussion is continuing at this point. The guy knows what he wants to do, as he seemed to know throughout this dialogue.

[Danteshek]

Don't hate the message that everyone on here is giving you. We are actually trying to help. However, it was clear from the very day that you got this idea in your head that you would not listen to reason.

I don't know about "not listen[ing] to reason," but I would agree that Dante pretty much had his mind made up before he even asked the question. I mean, if you go a few posts back, you'll see that while the general consensus on the forum was that he was better off staying, his reply was "wow, I'm glad there's so much controversy." What controversy was there at that point? The posts were almost overwhelmingly in favor of him staying at his current school.

I don't really see why this discussion is continuing at this point. The guy knows what he wants to do, as he seemed to know throughout this dialogue.

Machine Spirit is giving up a top 10% ranking and law review at GW to go to Columbia (see below). Like Machine Spirit, I also spoke to plenty of professors, attorneys and Judges. They were unanimous in their opinion that I should transfer to Loyola. I even listed some of their names above.

The only people who think I should stay at Southwestern are law students who have no connection to Los Angeles -- people like A'nold (pacific northwest) and Machine Spirit (east coast). As much as I like A'nold, he is pretty clueless about the realities on the ground in Los Angeles. I also think A'nold is trying to justify his decision in his head to apply only to extreme reaches.

Also, I did not have my mind made up when I started this dialogue. Very presumptuous of both Machine Spirit and A'nold to make that assumption.

And FWIW, the admissions director at Loyola told me that large numbers of Southwestern students transfer to Loyola every year.

Just wanted to do a quick update thanking you guys for all of your advice. After speaking with some more people (i.e. professors, attorneys, Judge) I decided to withdraw from GW. Yay Columbia.Thanks again guys.

I would be very interested in the advice that you received from attorneys, profs & a judge that prompted you to give up law review, moot court & a top 10% ranking at GWU to attend Columbia. I am not sure whether I agree or disagree with your decision, I would just like to know what advice & considerations affected your decision. Also, are you happy at GWU? If not, what don't you like?
Thanks!

[helfer snooterbagon]

Machine Spirit is giving up a top 10% ranking and law review at GW to go to Columbia (see below). Like Machine Spirit, I also spoke to plenty of professors, attorneys and Judges. They were unanimous in their opinion that I should transfer to Loyola. I even listed some of their names above.

The only people who think I should stay at Southwestern are law students who have no connection to Los Angeles -- people like A'nold (pacific northwest) and Machine Spirit (east coast). As much as I like A'nold, he is pretty clueless about the realities on the ground in Los Angeles. I also think A'nold is trying to justify his decision in his head to apply only to extreme reaches.

Also, I did not have my mind made up when I started this dialogue. Very presumptuous of both Machine Spirit and A'nold to make that assumption.

And FWIW, the admissions director at Loyola told me that large numbers of Southwestern students transfer to Loyola every year.

So what is your overall point? Go with god, have fun at Loyola. I don't think you are going to change people's minds about the relative merits of transferring. It seems that you want everyone to tell you that you are definitely making the right choice. Not going to happen.

[Danteshek]

Machine Spirit is giving up a top 10% ranking and law review at GW to go to Columbia (see below). Like Machine Spirit, I also spoke to plenty of professors, attorneys and Judges. They were unanimous in their opinion that I should transfer to Loyola. I even listed some of their names above.

The only people who think I should stay at Southwestern are law students who have no connection to Los Angeles -- people like A'nold (pacific northwest) and Machine Spirit (east coast). As much as I like A'nold, he is pretty clueless about the realities on the ground in Los Angeles. I also think A'nold is trying to justify his decision in his head to apply only to extreme reaches.

Also, I did not have my mind made up when I started this dialogue. Very presumptuous of both Machine Spirit and A'nold to make that assumption.

And FWIW, the admissions director at Loyola told me that large numbers of Southwestern students transfer to Loyola every year.

So what is your overall point? Go with god, have fun at Loyola. I don't think you are going to change people's minds about the relative merits of transferring. It seems that you want everyone to tell you that you are definitely making the right choice. Not going to happen.

My overall point is that several people who think I should remain at Southwestern lack credibility to make that assessment. At the very least they are less credible than the people who think I should transfer. I fully realize there will be lots of people who think I am making a mistake.

[interalia]

Machine Spirit is giving up a top 10% ranking and law review at GW to go to Columbia (see below). Like Machine Spirit, I also spoke to plenty of professors, attorneys and Judges. They were unanimous in their opinion that I should transfer to Loyola. I even listed some of their names above.

The only people who think I should stay at Southwestern are law students who have no connection to Los Angeles -- people like A'nold (pacific northwest) and Machine Spirit (east coast). As much as I like A'nold, he is pretty clueless about the realities on the ground in Los Angeles. I also think A'nold is trying to justify his decision in his head to apply only to extreme reaches.

Also, I did not have my mind made up when I started this dialogue. Very presumptuous of both Machine Spirit and A'nold to make that assumption.

And FWIW, the admissions director at Loyola told me that large numbers of Southwestern students transfer to Loyola every year.

So what is your overall point? Go with god, have fun at Loyola. I don't think you are going to change people's minds about the relative merits of transferring. It seems that you want everyone to tell you that you are definitely making the right choice. Not going to happen.

My overall point is that several people who think I should remain at Southwestern lack credibility to make that assessment. At the very least they are less credible than the people who think I should transfer. I fully realize there will be lots of people who think I am making a mistake.

You should've just made your own thread for this garbage.

I'm sure you'll be very successful, in your own way.

[D.Wilde]

To return to the Transfer Cycle Results topic...

In at Harvard via phone call around an hour ago.

[stinger35]

To return to the Transfer Cycle Results topic...

In at Harvard via phone call around an hour ago.

1. (an obvious) congrats

but more than that

2. THANK YOU not sure if I had ever seen a more pointless and severe hijack in my TLS life

[Bankhead]

Dante: I think people are telling you not to transfer, not because they think it's the incredibly stupid thing to do, but just that it doesn't matter so it's easier just to stay. You aren't going to have all of these wonderful career opps at Loyola you wouldn't have at SW.

It's just not a big deal either way, it's not like going from Loyola to Berkeley or something. Loyola and SW are both secondary/tertiary schools in LA where you'll get a fine education but have to rely on your own merits/networking to obtain your ideal position. You don't need to have some incredible knowledge of the LA market to know this.

Therefore, this might be the blandest transfer situation this entire cycle. It doesn't need 5 pages and Susan Estrich.

[thexfactor]

+1

I think people are telling you not to transfer, not because they think it's the incredibly stupid thing to do, but just that it doesn't matter so it's easier just to stay. You aren't going to have all of these wonderful career opps at Loyola you wouldn't have at SW.

It's just not a big deal either way, it's not like going from Loyola to Berkeley or something. Loyola and SW are both secondary/tertiary schools in LA where you'll get a fine education but have to rely on your own merits/networking to obtain your ideal position. You don't need to have some incredible knowledge of the LA market to know this.

Therefore, this might be the blandest transfer situation this entire cycle. It doesn't need 5 pages and Susan Estrich.