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I saw the Rutgers Camden allows you to apply after only 1 semester of 1L. Does anyone have a list of schools that allow this?

Miami

I couldn't imagine that transferring to Miami would be beneficial for anyone, except maybe someone from an unaccredited school. I mean, a student with good enough grades to transfer from Cooley to Miami would likely be better off just staying at Cooley.

A'nold wrote:I couldn't imagine that transferring to Miami would be beneficial for anyone, except maybe someone from an unaccredited school. I mean, a student with good enough grades to transfer from Cooley to Miami would likely be better off just staying at Cooley.

Are we talking about the same school? There's no comparison between Cooley and Miami (didn't Miami move up to #62 or something close to that this year?)

IX. Early Action Transfers (Chicago, Georgetown, Miami, Hofstra, Case Western)
The below is quoted from this website:
http://www.policydiary.com/2010/02/thin ... hools.html

IX. Early Action Transfers (Chicago, Georgetown, Miami, Hofstra, Case Western)
Yes, this does exist and is a fairly recent phenomenon from what I hear. In case you did not know, you can transfer after your fall 1L grades (*gasp*) and without your spring grades. A decision is usually give in April or May. The application process has the same requirements as normal transfer admissions but with earlier dates:

6. Chicago, due April 15 - THIS is BINDING (you have to go if you are accepted)
14. Georgetown, due March 16
55. Case Western, due March 30
71. Miami, TBA (or rather, it does not say anything on their website)
100. Hofstra, due May 15

Currently, these are the only schools that have this option. Your GPA for spring 1L semester is generally irrelevant (though C’s or lower might raise an eyebrow). Chicago also requires you get “consistent” grades throughout the year. When asked, the Chicago admissions office said this meant that you should not drop more than 0.2 or 0.3 points on your GPA or drop more than 10-20%.

Lastly (courtesy from LuvTheWNBA), WUSTL EA has been dumped (formerly due March 31). It appears that this is no longer currently possible and I have no idea if the school will reinstate the program in the future.

Maximus wrote:

A'nold wrote:I couldn't imagine that transferring to Miami would be beneficial for anyone, except maybe someone from an unaccredited school. I mean, a student with good enough grades to transfer from Cooley to Miami would likely be better off just staying at Cooley.

Are we talking about the same school? There's no comparison between Cooley and Miami (didn't Miami move up to #62 or something close to that this year?)

Are you a 0L? Do you know what you give up when you transfer? I can see no reason (unless you absolutely must live in Miami no matter what) whatsoever, aside from maybe a false sense of pride, that transferring with presumably good grades from even one of the 5 worst law schools in the country to Miami would be a good idea. Miami is over 40k a year, right? Top 1/4 struggle to find jobs, ESPECIALLY jobs worth taking out that much debt. You lose your GPA at your old school and look like a median student at best coming into Miami. You are royally screwed if you do this.

A'nold wrote:

Maximus wrote:

A'nold wrote:I couldn't imagine that transferring to Miami would be beneficial for anyone, except maybe someone from an unaccredited school. I mean, a student with good enough grades to transfer from Cooley to Miami would likely be better off just staying at Cooley.

Are we talking about the same school? There's no comparison between Cooley and Miami (didn't Miami move up to #62 or something close to that this year?)

Are you a 0L? Do you know what you give up when you transfer? I can see no reason (unless you absolutely must live in Miami no matter what) whatsoever, aside from maybe a false sense of pride, that transferring with presumably good grades from even one of the 5 worst law schools in the country to Miami would be a good idea. Miami is over 40k a year, right? Top 1/4 struggle to find jobs, ESPECIALLY jobs worth taking out that much debt. You lose your GPA at your old school and look like a median student at best coming into Miami. You are royally screwed if you do this.

If I was 0L why would I be wasting my time reading the transfer forum. I know exactly what you give up but there is nothing that could ever keep me at fourth tier school when I could make a jump to a school like Miami. Graduates from the school do well regardless of what you believe.

A'nold wrote:

Maximus wrote:

A'nold wrote:I couldn't imagine that transferring to Miami would be beneficial for anyone, except maybe someone from an unaccredited school. I mean, a student with good enough grades to transfer from Cooley to Miami would likely be better off just staying at Cooley.

Are we talking about the same school? There's no comparison between Cooley and Miami (didn't Miami move up to #62 or something close to that this year?)

Are you a 0L? Do you know what you give up when you transfer? I can see no reason (unless you absolutely must live in Miami no matter what) whatsoever, aside from maybe a false sense of pride, that transferring with presumably good grades from even one of the 5 worst law schools in the country to Miami would be a good idea. Miami is over 40k a year, right? Top 1/4 struggle to find jobs, ESPECIALLY jobs worth taking out that much debt. You lose your GPA at your old school and look like a median student at best coming into Miami. You are royally screwed if you do this.

Slightly less than 40k, but is currently on a tuition freeze. So, it hasn't been raised this year and it is expected that it wont raise next year either. However, I agree if you're going to transfer you should try to transfer in to a top 30/top 20 school.

Is there any where you can look up the transfer stats for Chicago in early decision transfer?

Do you transfer that semester or do you have to finish up your second semester at your old school?

trialjunky wrote:

A'nold wrote:

Maximus wrote:

A'nold wrote:I couldn't imagine that transferring to Miami would be beneficial for anyone, except maybe someone from an unaccredited school. I mean, a student with good enough grades to transfer from Cooley to Miami would likely be better off just staying at Cooley.

Are we talking about the same school? There's no comparison between Cooley and Miami (didn't Miami move up to #62 or something close to that this year?)

Are you a 0L? Do you know what you give up when you transfer? I can see no reason (unless you absolutely must live in Miami no matter what) whatsoever, aside from maybe a false sense of pride, that transferring with presumably good grades from even one of the 5 worst law schools in the country to Miami would be a good idea. Miami is over 40k a year, right? Top 1/4 struggle to find jobs, ESPECIALLY jobs worth taking out that much debt. You lose your GPA at your old school and look like a median student at best coming into Miami. You are royally screwed if you do this.

Slightly less than 40k, but is currently on a tuition freeze. So, it hasn't been raised this year and it is expected that it wont raise next year either. However, I agree if you're going to transfer you should try to transfer in to a top 30/top 20 school.

Is there any where you can look up the transfer stats for Chicago in early decision transfer?

would also like to know this as well!

Maximus wrote:

A'nold wrote:

Maximus wrote:

A'nold wrote:I couldn't imagine that transferring to Miami would be beneficial for anyone, except maybe someone from an unaccredited school. I mean, a student with good enough grades to transfer from Cooley to Miami would likely be better off just staying at Cooley.

Are we talking about the same school? There's no comparison between Cooley and Miami (didn't Miami move up to #62 or something close to that this year?)

Are you a 0L? Do you know what you give up when you transfer? I can see no reason (unless you absolutely must live in Miami no matter what) whatsoever, aside from maybe a false sense of pride, that transferring with presumably good grades from even one of the 5 worst law schools in the country to Miami would be a good idea. Miami is over 40k a year, right? Top 1/4 struggle to find jobs, ESPECIALLY jobs worth taking out that much debt. You lose your GPA at your old school and look like a median student at best coming into Miami. You are royally screwed if you do this.

If I was 0L why would I be wasting my time reading the transfer forum. I know exactly what you give up but there is nothing that could ever keep me at fourth tier school when I could make a jump to a school like Miami. Graduates from the school do well regardless of what you believe.

Well, um, then you would be dumb. The "OMGZ, U of Miamiz iz SO MUCH BETTERZ" than a t4 just because it is ranked in the 60's stance means you have absolutely no idea how the legal world works. I used to be that way too but am glad I realized that isn't the way it works. Most schools outside of the top 18 (yes, I think USC and WUSTL have different national prospects) are VERY regional. Like I said, there is absolutely NO, mark this down NO NO NO NO NO NO NO reason to transfer from your t4 if you are in the top 20% of the class or so to Miami UNLESS you must work in Miami for some reason.

Trial Junky - just found a thread for UChi transfer, check out top of pg. 5 which might be useful for some stats? 15-25 transfers, hmmm

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... &start=100

I agree that Miami is regional but it is a powerhouse in south Florida and will open up a lot more opportunities than a T3/4 assuming you want to practice in SFL.

futurelawyer413 wrote:Trial Junky - just found a thread for UChi transfer, check out top of pg. 5 which might be useful for some stats? 15-25 transfers, hmmm

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... &start=100

Thanks!!

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jhandin wrote:

mrm2083 wrote:I agree that Miami is regional but it is a powerhouse in south Florida and will open up a lot more opportunities than a T3/4 assuming you want to practice in SFL.

You are absolutely correct and A'nold is completely wrong. UM is the SoFla law powerhouse. If you want the best opportunity in SoFla, UM is the place to go. People who say "If you're going to transfer, only do so in the top-20 schools" are ignorant and snobs. If you are certain of the geographic location that you want to work, choose the best or most well-known school in that area. If you happen to get into a top school that is not regionalized, then yes, you can work in many different places. But, not everyone goes to those schools. And A'nold cannot dare to say that UM is shit when I know SEVERAL graduates who made six-figures directly upon graduation.

Wow, I love being attacked when either 1) the attacker did not read my prior posts or 2) the attacker is too dumb to understand the words dat are cumin outa my mouf.

I already said that if that student knows he wants South Florida that Miami MIGHT make sense, but that it would still likely be a stupid financial decision when he is struggling to find a job as a transfer student and will have a crap ton of debt. ONLY if that student MUST HAVE the Miami market should they even consider such a risky move.

Another example of rankings meaning jack shit for these types of schools: you'd likely be an idiot to transfer from FIU to Miami if you did well enough at FIU to make such a transfer.

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Normally I stay away from he transfer section, but this is just absurd.

jhandin wrote:

mrm2083 wrote:I agree that Miami is regional but it is a powerhouse in south Florida and will open up a lot more opportunities than a T3/4 assuming you want to practice in SFL.

You are absolutely correct and A'nold is completely wrong. UM is the SoFla law powerhouse. If you want the best opportunity in SoFla, UM is the place to go... If you are certain of the geographic location that you want to work, choose the best or most well-known school in that area.

UF will open at least as many doors in South Florida for a fraction of the cost if you are in-state.

And A'nold cannot dare to say that UM is shit when I know SEVERAL graduates who made six-figures directly upon graduation.

So, what? Knowing "several" grads isn't enough to make up for the fact that this evidence is horribly anecdotal. It would be worth pointing out that Miami doesn't even make the top 50 for NLJ250 placement in the most recent stats, meaning that it places less that 13.2%. This doesn't sound like good odds for almost $40k/yr. plus COL.

Chupavida wrote:Yeah, continuing at a school like Cooley seems like the "intelligent financial decision." Cooley is a leader in several markets, like the firms that only hire graduates from schools with the highest total law library space for example.

I would transfer from Cooley to Miami in the blink of an eye.

Earlier in the thread I meant to put a caveat about some really, REALLY bad t4's. I'm talking Cooley, Appalachian, Whittier, Western State, Southern, and Florida Coastal here. In that case you'd probably have to transfer. Most t3 and 4's are not these schools.

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Chupavida wrote: Regardless, Miami has more going for it than some of its peer schools, namely a strong reputation for tax law

Not as strong as UF's though, lulz

edit: by that I mean nationally recognized tax LLM

rad law wrote:Normally I stay away from he transfer section, but this is just absurd.

jhandin wrote:

mrm2083 wrote:I agree that Miami is regional but it is a powerhouse in south Florida and will open up a lot more opportunities than a T3/4 assuming you want to practice in SFL.

You are absolutely correct and A'nold is completely wrong. UM is the SoFla law powerhouse. If you want the best opportunity in SoFla, UM is the place to go... If you are certain of the geographic location that you want to work, choose the best or most well-known school in that area.

UF will open at least as many doors in South Florida for a fraction of the cost if you are in-state.

And A'nold cannot dare to say that UM is shit when I know SEVERAL graduates who made six-figures directly upon graduation.

So, what? Knowing "several" grads isn't enough to make up for the fact that this evidence is horribly anecdotal. It would be worth pointing out that Miami doesn't even make the top 50 for NLJ250 placement in the most recent stats, meaning that it places less that 13.2%. This doesn't sound like good odds for almost $40k/yr. plus COL.

TITCR. Add to this that those are the odds for being a 1L AT MIAMI, not as a transfer student. 0% of those transfer students are going to get those jobs and they will be struggling to find any job at all.

Also: LOL at that guy accusing me of being elitist. Anyone that knows me on here would similarly laugh.

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Chupavida wrote:

A'nold wrote:

Chupavida wrote:
I'll take "some" career prospects over "virtually no" career prospects. If law school tuition wasn't roughly similar across tiers, that might be different, but as it is, a transfer is likely to be paying 30-40k to go to whatever T4 he's at anyway.

BWAHAHAHA! This just goes to show that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Flip those around guy. You at least have SOME chance of getting a decent job coming from the top of your class at any t4 school in the country. The same cannot be said of someone giving up a high class rank to attend UM. You will have to struggle your butt off for any kind of job as a transfer into UM.

If you want to work IN Miami and financial considerations ARE NOT a concern, transferring might not be a bad idea.