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Desert Fox wrote:Boalt is 10-14
I don't know what your smoking, but with over 9000 posts you should def have noticed they are ranked #6.Desert Fox wrote:Boalt is 10-14
Lol.JPU wrote:I don't know what your smoking, but with over 9000 posts you should def have noticed they are ranked #6.Desert Fox wrote:Boalt is 10-14
I would say in at Boalt (with a legitimate reason)....out at Stanford and Yale, and possibility at H (if from MVP it is a better chance)Lawyerwannabe18 wrote:Would top 20% from the lower end of the T14 give a decent shot at HYS? Boalt?
Any insight or personal experiences would be great.
ITT: dumbsJPU wrote:I don't know what your smoking, but with over 9000 posts you should def have noticed they are ranked #6.Desert Fox wrote:Boalt is 10-14
Look out Osmium, I've found the new densest element and its name is JPU!JPU wrote:I don't know what your smoking, but with over 9000 posts you should def have noticed they are ranked #6.Desert Fox wrote:Boalt is 10-14
I don't care what a failing magazine says. I care about job placement, and Boalt's is no better than Duke's.JPU wrote:I don't know what your smoking, but with over 9000 posts you should def have noticed they are ranked #6.Desert Fox wrote:Boalt is 10-14
Thanks for the response! What if the only reason was a strong tie to the west coast? Cali in particular.underachiever wrote:I would say in at Boalt (with a legitimate reason)....out at Stanford and Yale, and possibility at H (if from MVP it is a better chance)Lawyerwannabe18 wrote:Would top 20% from the lower end of the T14 give a decent shot at HYS? Boalt?
Any insight or personal experiences would be great.
Job placement is a legitimate argument, but those NLJ 250 numbers are subject to self-selection of students. Given the "hippy" attitude at UCB it doesn't surprise me that many students self select away from firm work, but that doesn't detract from the educational quality of the school. Furthermore, US NEWS considers job placement numbers so for UCB to be ranked so highly with "lower" job placement and LSAT scores speaks to the strength of the rest of their offering.Desert Fox wrote:I don't care what a failing magazine says. I care about job placement, and Boalt's is no better than Duke's.JPU wrote:I don't know what your smoking, but with over 9000 posts you should def have noticed they are ranked #6.Desert Fox wrote:Boalt is 10-14
Also 1/4 of its students have under a 164? WTF?
USNews uses really stupid employment data, starbucks counts as employed. Also this year Boalt fell to 7, tied with Penn. Usuing LSAT numbers isn't dumb. Why can't Boalt attract better applicants?JPU wrote:Job placement is a legitimate argument, but those NLJ 250 numbers are subject to self-selection of students. Given the "hippy" attitude at UCB it doesn't surprise me that many students self select away from firm work, but that doesn't detract from the educational quality of the school. Furthermore, US NEWS considers job placement numbers so for UCB to be ranked so highly with "lower" job placement and LSAT scores speaks to the strength of the rest of their offering.Desert Fox wrote:I don't care what a failing magazine says. I care about job placement, and Boalt's is no better than Duke's.JPU wrote:I don't know what your smoking, but with over 9000 posts you should def have noticed they are ranked #6.Desert Fox wrote:Boalt is 10-14
Also 1/4 of its students have under a 164? WTF?
However, to judge a school based on what the entrance LSAT numbers are is flat out dumb.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 1COQP3.DTLDesert Fox wrote: USNews uses really stupid employment data, starbucks counts as employed. Also this year Boalt fell to 7, tied with Penn. Usuing LSAT numbers isn't dumb. Why can't Boalt attract better applicants?
Thanks for the imput. Kinda suprised you didnt get into Boaltbwv812 wrote:~top 25% from GULC. Planned on trying to transfer HYS+B, but shelved that after spring grades came in; only applied to Boalt and Stanford (their deadlines were due before grades were released).Lawyerwannabe18 wrote:Would top 20% from the lower end of the T14 give a decent shot at HYS? Boalt?
Any insight or personal experiences would be great.
Relatively quick ding from Boalt, which was unexpected. I think mentioning that I was international student and would need institutional loans from them was probably a big problem.
Got a ding in late August from Stanford, which surprisingly suggests I had more of a chance there. Had strong curriculum-related reasons for wanting to go there. S was very pleasant, and let me know that one of my professors had failed to send in the recommendation form (and used this as the excuse for their ding, though I'm sure I was a very marginal applicant). Same prof had apparently failed to do this for other transfer applicants, including one who ultimately made it to Yale after getting the prof to send the recommendation in.
Before applying, I would have expected that top 25% would have given me a very good chance at Columbia and below (people have transferred from UVA to Penn with median grades), and no chance at HYS.
LSAT was too highLawyerwannabe18 wrote:Thanks for the imput. Kinda suprised you didnt get into Boaltbwv812 wrote:~top 25% from GULC. Planned on trying to transfer HYS+B, but shelved that after spring grades came in; only applied to Boalt and Stanford (their deadlines were due before grades were released).Lawyerwannabe18 wrote:Would top 20% from the lower end of the T14 give a decent shot at HYS? Boalt?
Any insight or personal experiences would be great.
Relatively quick ding from Boalt, which was unexpected. I think mentioning that I was international student and would need institutional loans from them was probably a big problem.
Got a ding in late August from Stanford, which surprisingly suggests I had more of a chance there. Had strong curriculum-related reasons for wanting to go there. S was very pleasant, and let me know that one of my professors had failed to send in the recommendation form (and used this as the excuse for their ding, though I'm sure I was a very marginal applicant). Same prof had apparently failed to do this for other transfer applicants, including one who ultimately made it to Yale after getting the prof to send the recommendation in.
Before applying, I would have expected that top 25% would have given me a very good chance at Columbia and below (people have transferred from UVA to Penn with median grades), and no chance at HYS.
Does not getting any offers from a firm count as "self-selection"? If so, then I agree, boalt students "self-selected" themselves out of law firms.JPU wrote:Job placement is a legitimate argument, but those NLJ 250 numbers are subject to self-selection of students. Given the "hippy" attitude at UCB it doesn't surprise me that many students self select away from firm work,Desert Fox wrote:I don't care what a failing magazine says. I care about job placement, and Boalt's is no better than Duke's.JPU wrote:I don't know what your smoking, but with over 9000 posts you should def have noticed they are ranked #6.Desert Fox wrote:Boalt is 10-14
Also 1/4 of its students have under a 164? WTF?
Does anyone actually pay $80K /year (or whatever the cost of attendance is rising to) to attend Boalt because they are looking for educational quality? Probably not, and I'd argue that many lower ranked schools have better educational quality because scholars that wrote treatises and published a bunch of scholarly work doesn't necessarily mean the profs are good at teaching it.JPU wrote:... but that doesn't detract from the educational quality of the school.
I think you could make a better argument that judging a school based on how many people took any kind of employment within 9 months of graduation (including McDonalds) is flat out dumb. USNews would be a lot better of a magazine if they took into account things like actual legal career prospects in some way.JPU wrote:Furthermore, US NEWS considers job placement numbers so for UCB to be ranked so highly with "lower" job placement and LSAT scores speaks to the strength of the rest of their offering.
However, to judge a school based on what the entrance LSAT numbers are is flat out dumb.
lolholydonkey wrote:LSAT was too highLawyerwannabe18 wrote:Thanks for the imput. Kinda suprised you didnt get into Boaltbwv812 wrote:~top 25% from GULC. Planned on trying to transfer HYS+B, but shelved that after spring grades came in; only applied to Boalt and Stanford (their deadlines were due before grades were released).Lawyerwannabe18 wrote:Would top 20% from the lower end of the T14 give a decent shot at HYS? Boalt?
Any insight or personal experiences would be great.
Relatively quick ding from Boalt, which was unexpected. I think mentioning that I was international student and would need institutional loans from them was probably a big problem.
Got a ding in late August from Stanford, which surprisingly suggests I had more of a chance there. Had strong curriculum-related reasons for wanting to go there. S was very pleasant, and let me know that one of my professors had failed to send in the recommendation form (and used this as the excuse for their ding, though I'm sure I was a very marginal applicant). Same prof had apparently failed to do this for other transfer applicants, including one who ultimately made it to Yale after getting the prof to send the recommendation in.
Before applying, I would have expected that top 25% would have given me a very good chance at Columbia and below (people have transferred from UVA to Penn with median grades), and no chance at HYS.