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Those are Californian firms that nobody wants to work at besides Californians.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:23 pmI've always thought of it as a firm for people who couldn't get KVN or Munger. A great boutique, but doesn't really stand out
Bad take. There are functionally equivalent elite regional lit boutiques in literally every major market (Susman, KH, Molo etc in NY; Kellogg, Wilkinson Stekloff, Gupta Wessler, Consovoy McCarthy, Cooper & Kirk etc in DC; Bartlit Beck, Eimer Stahl in Chicago etc) Makes no sense to place one above the other, especially across regional markets. Also weird that Irell and Dovel gets no mention in CA, wouldn't place them below KVN and MungerAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:23 pmI've always thought of it as a firm for people who couldn't get KVN or Munger. A great boutique, but doesn't really stand out
The people are less impressive and the firm is generally considered less prestigious and selective. I mean I'm sure you enjoy working there, but let's be honestAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:06 pmBad take. There are functionally equivalent elite regional lit boutiques in literally every major market (Susman, KH, Molo etc in NY; Kellogg, Wilkinson Stekloff, Gupta Wessler, Consovoy McCarthy, Cooper & Kirk etc in DC; Bartlit Beck, Eimer Stahl in Chicago etc) Makes no sense to place one above the other, especially across regional markets. Also weird that Irell and Dovel gets no mention in CA, wouldn't place them below KVN and MungerAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:23 pmI've always thought of it as a firm for people who couldn't get KVN or Munger. A great boutique, but doesn't really stand out
The whole lit boutique prestige thing is so sad when u realize people with 2/3 the IQ make 5 times more than trial litigators just selling snake oil like crypto hedge funds and reitsAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:15 pmThe people are less impressive and the firm is generally considered less prestigious and selective. I mean I'm sure you enjoy working there, but let's be honestAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:06 pmBad take. There are functionally equivalent elite regional lit boutiques in literally every major market (Susman, KH, Molo etc in NY; Kellogg, Wilkinson Stekloff, Gupta Wessler, Consovoy McCarthy, Cooper & Kirk etc in DC; Bartlit Beck, Eimer Stahl in Chicago etc) Makes no sense to place one above the other, especially across regional markets. Also weird that Irell and Dovel gets no mention in CA, wouldn't place them below KVN and MungerAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:23 pmI've always thought of it as a firm for people who couldn't get KVN or Munger. A great boutique, but doesn't really stand out
Even on ignoring the regional thing it’s a baffling take, I’ve heard nothing good about Robbie Kaplan but her firm is super hot right now with feeder clerks etc. much moreso than KVN, which I’m sure is excellent but doesn’t really have a national profile.Wild Card wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:19 amThose are Californian firms that nobody wants to work at besides Californians.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:23 pmI've always thought of it as a firm for people who couldn't get KVN or Munger. A great boutique, but doesn't really stand out
Kaplan is similar to Selendy or Molo. In that sense, it is just another well regarded litigation boutique.
The boutique prestige, HSCC prestige, and v10 prestige discussions are some of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:47 pmThe whole lit boutique prestige thing is so sad when u realize people with 2/3 the IQ make 5 times more than trial litigators just selling snake oil like crypto hedge funds and reitsAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:15 pmThe people are less impressive and the firm is generally considered less prestigious and selective. I mean I'm sure you enjoy working there, but let's be honestAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:06 pmBad take. There are functionally equivalent elite regional lit boutiques in literally every major market (Susman, KH, Molo etc in NY; Kellogg, Wilkinson Stekloff, Gupta Wessler, Consovoy McCarthy, Cooper & Kirk etc in DC; Bartlit Beck, Eimer Stahl in Chicago etc) Makes no sense to place one above the other, especially across regional markets. Also weird that Irell and Dovel gets no mention in CA, wouldn't place them below KVN and MungerAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:23 pmI've always thought of it as a firm for people who couldn't get KVN or Munger. A great boutique, but doesn't really stand out
Don't act like you're above it all. Mindless 20 page prestige debates are literally the only reason TLS existsdyemond wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 5:24 pmThe boutique prestige, HSCC prestige, and v10 prestige discussions are some of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:47 pmThe whole lit boutique prestige thing is so sad when u realize people with 2/3 the IQ make 5 times more than trial litigators just selling snake oil like crypto hedge funds and reitsAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:15 pmThe people are less impressive and the firm is generally considered less prestigious and selective. I mean I'm sure you enjoy working there, but let's be honestAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:06 pmBad take. There are functionally equivalent elite regional lit boutiques in literally every major market (Susman, KH, Molo etc in NY; Kellogg, Wilkinson Stekloff, Gupta Wessler, Consovoy McCarthy, Cooper & Kirk etc in DC; Bartlit Beck, Eimer Stahl in Chicago etc) Makes no sense to place one above the other, especially across regional markets. Also weird that Irell and Dovel gets no mention in CA, wouldn't place them below KVN and MungerAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:23 pmI've always thought of it as a firm for people who couldn't get KVN or Munger. A great boutique, but doesn't really stand out
Kaplan Hecker's leverage is 3.8 (13 partners, 49 other attorneys, not counting the presumably part-time Larry Tribe and Trevor Morrison). That's exceptionally high for a boutique. And it now has a substantial summer program, meaning that it has a future expansion baked in. I think for now prospective associates are still viewing it as closer to Wilkinson Stekloff or MoloLamken than Quinn Emanuel, but I'm not sure that will continue.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:35 pmI've heard pretty bad things. both toxic and not a lot of substantive experience. sounds more like being stuck in a bad group in biglaw
I mean Roberta Kaplan is a famous attorney. A look at most of the associate/partner profiles shows that they almost all have credentials that would place them at the top of the pack even at most large firms (clerkships and top 5 law school with law review). So hilarious how losers gossiping behind a keyboard who probably did a half-assed job at a law firm for 2 years have anointed themselves the final arbiters of prestige and success in the legal profession and knock people who are "in all honesty" probably 15,000x more accomplished than they.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:15 pmThe people are less impressive and the firm is generally considered less prestigious and selective. I mean I'm sure you enjoy working there, but let's be honestAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:06 pmBad take. There are functionally equivalent elite regional lit boutiques in literally every major market (Susman, KH, Molo etc in NY; Kellogg, Wilkinson Stekloff, Gupta Wessler, Consovoy McCarthy, Cooper & Kirk etc in DC; Bartlit Beck, Eimer Stahl in Chicago etc) Makes no sense to place one above the other, especially across regional markets. Also weird that Irell and Dovel gets no mention in CA, wouldn't place them below KVN and MungerAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:23 pmI've always thought of it as a firm for people who couldn't get KVN or Munger. A great boutique, but doesn't really stand out
Roberta, you can log off TLS now.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:46 amI mean Roberta Kaplan is a famous attorney. A look at most of the associate/partner profiles shows that they almost all have credentials that would place them at the top of the pack even at most large firms (clerkships and top 5 law school with law review). So hilarious how losers gossiping behind a keyboard who probably did a half-assed job at a law firm for 2 years have anointed themselves the final arbiters of prestige and success in the legal profession and knock people who are "in all honesty" probably 15,000x more accomplished than they.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:15 pmThe people are less impressive and the firm is generally considered less prestigious and selective. I mean I'm sure you enjoy working there, but let's be honestAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:06 pmBad take. There are functionally equivalent elite regional lit boutiques in literally every major market (Susman, KH, Molo etc in NY; Kellogg, Wilkinson Stekloff, Gupta Wessler, Consovoy McCarthy, Cooper & Kirk etc in DC; Bartlit Beck, Eimer Stahl in Chicago etc) Makes no sense to place one above the other, especially across regional markets. Also weird that Irell and Dovel gets no mention in CA, wouldn't place them below KVN and MungerAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:23 pmI've always thought of it as a firm for people who couldn't get KVN or Munger. A great boutique, but doesn't really stand out
Yes unless you were actually the rare counter clerk with an otherwise progressive resume.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:34 pmThink its an automatic ding if I clerked for ultra conservative judge?
Looks like I struck a nerve there. I'm not saying it's a bad firm. Far from it. But in a sea of litigation boutiques, it's just another one with T6 students who clerked for federal judges. It's only that this one happens to be staffed by associates who didn't get their top choiceAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:46 amI mean Roberta Kaplan is a famous attorney. A look at most of the associate/partner profiles shows that they almost all have credentials that would place them at the top of the pack even at most large firms (clerkships and top 5 law school with law review). So hilarious how losers gossiping behind a keyboard who probably did a half-assed job at a law firm for 2 years have anointed themselves the final arbiters of prestige and success in the legal profession and knock people who are "in all honesty" probably 15,000x more accomplished than they.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:15 pmThe people are less impressive and the firm is generally considered less prestigious and selective. I mean I'm sure you enjoy working there, but let's be honestAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:06 pmBad take. There are functionally equivalent elite regional lit boutiques in literally every major market (Susman, KH, Molo etc in NY; Kellogg, Wilkinson Stekloff, Gupta Wessler, Consovoy McCarthy, Cooper & Kirk etc in DC; Bartlit Beck, Eimer Stahl in Chicago etc) Makes no sense to place one above the other, especially across regional markets. Also weird that Irell and Dovel gets no mention in CA, wouldn't place them below KVN and MungerAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:23 pmI've always thought of it as a firm for people who couldn't get KVN or Munger. A great boutique, but doesn't really stand out
tbh the notion of UF and Minnesota gaming the rankings and taking students who would have other gone to BU or WUSTL is more interesting at this point.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:16 pmDon't act like you're above it all. Mindless 20 page prestige debates are literally the only reason TLS existsdyemond wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 5:24 pmThe boutique prestige, HSCC prestige, and v10 prestige discussions are some of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:47 pmThe whole lit boutique prestige thing is so sad when u realize people with 2/3 the IQ make 5 times more than trial litigators just selling snake oil like crypto hedge funds and reitsAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:15 pmThe people are less impressive and the firm is generally considered less prestigious and selective. I mean I'm sure you enjoy working there, but let's be honestAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:06 pmBad take. There are functionally equivalent elite regional lit boutiques in literally every major market (Susman, KH, Molo etc in NY; Kellogg, Wilkinson Stekloff, Gupta Wessler, Consovoy McCarthy, Cooper & Kirk etc in DC; Bartlit Beck, Eimer Stahl in Chicago etc) Makes no sense to place one above the other, especially across regional markets. Also weird that Irell and Dovel gets no mention in CA, wouldn't place them below KVN and MungerAnonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:23 pmI've always thought of it as a firm for people who couldn't get KVN or Munger. A great boutique, but doesn't really stand out
The irony of someone who is "woke" also being "toxic."Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:58 amRoberta Kaplan is toxic and terrible as a workplace boss. She's a media darling in some circles and a successful attorney. Depends on your personality/goals whether that trade-off is worth it.
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:23 amThe irony of someone who is "woke" also being "toxic."Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:58 amRoberta Kaplan is toxic and terrible as a workplace boss. She's a media darling in some circles and a successful attorney. Depends on your personality/goals whether that trade-off is worth it.