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Why would MoFo corporate be any better?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:50 pmCurrent associate at WSGR; there were definitely substantial stealth layoffs, and hours are low across the board. I would not join WSGR given what's going on right now.
This is actually interesting, because MoFo SV was consistently underbid at Cal (I graduated in the ‘20-‘22 range).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:28 pmMoFo SV culture > WSGR is the prevailing wisdom at SLS
I am a partner at WSGR and I will note that there have not been "stealth layoffs" - there have been, in my group, performance based terminations. This happens at every firm unfortunately - its a tough job.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:50 pmCurrent associate at WSGR; there were definitely substantial stealth layoffs, and hours are low across the board. I would not join WSGR given what's going on right now.
Do you think there will be actual layoffs?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:43 pmI am a partner at WSGR and I will note that there have not been "stealth layoffs" - there have been, in my group, performance based terminations. This happens at every firm unfortunately - its a tough job.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:50 pmCurrent associate at WSGR; there were definitely substantial stealth layoffs, and hours are low across the board. I would not join WSGR given what's going on right now.
I think people forget that people do get fired for performance at law firms. Just because people get fired outside of an announced mass layoff does not mean a firm conducted a "stealth layoff".
Same partner as above.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:56 pmDo you think there will be actual layoffs?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:43 pmI am a partner at WSGR and I will note that there have not been "stealth layoffs" - there have been, in my group, performance based terminations. This happens at every firm unfortunately - its a tough job.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:50 pmCurrent associate at WSGR; there were definitely substantial stealth layoffs, and hours are low across the board. I would not join WSGR given what's going on right now.
I think people forget that people do get fired for performance at law firms. Just because people get fired outside of an announced mass layoff does not mean a firm conducted a "stealth layoff".
At the T4 I went to (not Stanford obviously), no one my year (same range of years) went to MoFo because of a combo of weird vibes and hilariously high grade cutoffs. Don’t really understand their recruiting strategy but good for them I guess, really going for the Cravath of SF.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 4:37 amThis is actually interesting, because MoFo SV was consistently underbid at Cal (I graduated in the ‘20-‘22 range).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:28 pmMoFo SV culture > WSGR is the prevailing wisdom at SLS
LOL @ this partner. Was a WSGR associate who was "stealthed." Received a PIP even though I was on pace to bill 1,950 hours. Let's not put lipstick on a pig. I would avoid WSGR at all costs. HR was terrible. Reasons in my PIP were also factually incorrect and despite providing proof, nothing. Terminated. Oh well. Unemployment was nice. Found a better job at higher ranked firm with nicer people. Don't buy into the WSGR kool-aid.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:06 pmSame partner as above.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:56 pmDo you think there will be actual layoffs?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:43 pmI am a partner at WSGR and I will note that there have not been "stealth layoffs" - there have been, in my group, performance based terminations. This happens at every firm unfortunately - its a tough job.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:50 pmCurrent associate at WSGR; there were definitely substantial stealth layoffs, and hours are low across the board. I would not join WSGR given what's going on right now.
I think people forget that people do get fired for performance at law firms. Just because people get fired outside of an announced mass layoff does not mean a firm conducted a "stealth layoff".
It has been discussed given that most of our competitors have had layoffs, but the firm decided not to. Things can change, but right now there is no plan to do so.
EC/VC -- mostly early stage first circle companies. 3 months ish.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:42 pmWould appreciate it if you could reveal general practice group since you landed on your feet. Current associate with very low hours and afraid of getting cut any day. Was website time two months or three months?
EC/VC -- mostly early stage first circle companies. 3 months ish.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 3:42 pmWould appreciate it if you could reveal general practice group since you landed on your feet. Current associate with very low hours and afraid of getting cut any day. Was website time two months or three months?
Same partner as above. I am sorry this happened to you, but a single termination isn't evidence of a stealth layoff. Stealth layoffs refer to widespread terminations that aren't disclosed to the rest of the firm.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:27 pmLOL @ this partner. Was a WSGR associate who was "stealthed." Received a PIP even though I was on pace to bill 1,950 hours. Let's not put lipstick on a pig. I would avoid WSGR at all costs. HR was terrible. Reasons in my PIP were also factually incorrect and despite providing proof, nothing. Terminated. Oh well. Unemployment was nice. Found a better job at higher ranked firm with nicer people. Don't buy into the WSGR kool-aid.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:06 pmSame partner as above.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:56 pmDo you think there will be actual layoffs?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:43 pmI am a partner at WSGR and I will note that there have not been "stealth layoffs" - there have been, in my group, performance based terminations. This happens at every firm unfortunately - its a tough job.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:50 pmCurrent associate at WSGR; there were definitely substantial stealth layoffs, and hours are low across the board. I would not join WSGR given what's going on right now.
I think people forget that people do get fired for performance at law firms. Just because people get fired outside of an announced mass layoff does not mean a firm conducted a "stealth layoff".
It has been discussed given that most of our competitors have had layoffs, but the firm decided not to. Things can change, but right now there is no plan to do so.
Same "stealthed" WSGR associate as above. Agreed, a single termination isn't evident of a widespread pattern, but, having read through this forum for the past several months, as well as having friends at the firm who have found themselves in a similar position, I would refer to my termination, as well as others I have known in the past several months, as "stealthed."Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:18 amSame partner as above. I am sorry this happened to you, but a single termination isn't evidence of a stealth layoff. Stealth layoffs refer to widespread terminations that aren't disclosed to the rest of the firm.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:27 pmLOL @ this partner. Was a WSGR associate who was "stealthed." Received a PIP even though I was on pace to bill 1,950 hours. Let's not put lipstick on a pig. I would avoid WSGR at all costs. HR was terrible. Reasons in my PIP were also factually incorrect and despite providing proof, nothing. Terminated. Oh well. Unemployment was nice. Found a better job at higher ranked firm with nicer people. Don't buy into the WSGR kool-aid.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:06 pmSame partner as above.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:56 pmDo you think there will be actual layoffs?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:43 pmI am a partner at WSGR and I will note that there have not been "stealth layoffs" - there have been, in my group, performance based terminations. This happens at every firm unfortunately - its a tough job.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:50 pmCurrent associate at WSGR; there were definitely substantial stealth layoffs, and hours are low across the board. I would not join WSGR given what's going on right now.
I think people forget that people do get fired for performance at law firms. Just because people get fired outside of an announced mass layoff does not mean a firm conducted a "stealth layoff".
It has been discussed given that most of our competitors have had layoffs, but the firm decided not to. Things can change, but right now there is no plan to do so.
People get fired for performance at every firm. Many of those people nonetheless bill the bonus target hours. This is not unique to WSGR.
Current associate at WSGR; would agree, and advise people away from WSGR if they have options at other tech firms. The firm is unbelievably siloed; it's almost impossible to get work from other groups, and often extremely difficult to get work from other partners within your practice group.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:40 pmSame "stealthed" WSGR associate as above. Agreed, a single termination isn't evident of a widespread pattern, but, having read through this forum for the past several months, as well as having friends at the firm who have found themselves in a similar position, I would refer to my termination, as well as others I have known in the past several months, as "stealthed."Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:18 amSame partner as above. I am sorry this happened to you, but a single termination isn't evidence of a stealth layoff. Stealth layoffs refer to widespread terminations that aren't disclosed to the rest of the firm.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:27 pmLOL @ this partner. Was a WSGR associate who was "stealthed." Received a PIP even though I was on pace to bill 1,950 hours. Let's not put lipstick on a pig. I would avoid WSGR at all costs. HR was terrible. Reasons in my PIP were also factually incorrect and despite providing proof, nothing. Terminated. Oh well. Unemployment was nice. Found a better job at higher ranked firm with nicer people. Don't buy into the WSGR kool-aid.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:06 pmSame partner as above.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:56 pmDo you think there will be actual layoffs?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:43 pmI am a partner at WSGR and I will note that there have not been "stealth layoffs" - there have been, in my group, performance based terminations. This happens at every firm unfortunately - its a tough job.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:50 pmCurrent associate at WSGR; there were definitely substantial stealth layoffs, and hours are low across the board. I would not join WSGR given what's going on right now.
I think people forget that people do get fired for performance at law firms. Just because people get fired outside of an announced mass layoff does not mean a firm conducted a "stealth layoff".
It has been discussed given that most of our competitors have had layoffs, but the firm decided not to. Things can change, but right now there is no plan to do so.
People get fired for performance at every firm. Many of those people nonetheless bill the bonus target hours. This is not unique to WSGR.
WSGR markets itself as a firm wherein you can work with great individuals, on "cool" matters, with "groundbreaking" companies. What they don't tell you, however, is that the firm is incredibly siloed. You interview into a group, thinking its "free market," but in reality, that group, and namely, one or two partners, control your destiny. If you don't click, or laugh at their jokes, etc, you will find ourself on the way out. Sure, you can try and reach out to other partners in different groups, but they have to get the sign off from your siloed group partner. So once the waters are tainted, you are done, despite the firm marketing itself as a place where you can "choose your own path." I'd simply avoid.
If you have the choice of working at a different firm, I'd go there. I lateraled in, thinking it was great, boy was I wrong. Thankfully, I've found a much better firm, better reputation and kinder people. Do yourself a favor.
How long are you tethered to your partner(s)? If you don’t click, wouldn’t they want to pass you to another partner (maybe one they don’t like)?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:17 pmCurrent associate at WSGR; would agree, and advise people away from WSGR if they have options at other tech firms. The firm is unbelievably siloed; it's almost impossible to get work from other groups, and often extremely difficult to get work from other partners within your practice group.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:40 pmSame "stealthed" WSGR associate as above. Agreed, a single termination isn't evident of a widespread pattern, but, having read through this forum for the past several months, as well as having friends at the firm who have found themselves in a similar position, I would refer to my termination, as well as others I have known in the past several months, as "stealthed."Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:18 amSame partner as above. I am sorry this happened to you, but a single termination isn't evidence of a stealth layoff. Stealth layoffs refer to widespread terminations that aren't disclosed to the rest of the firm.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:27 pmLOL @ this partner. Was a WSGR associate who was "stealthed." Received a PIP even though I was on pace to bill 1,950 hours. Let's not put lipstick on a pig. I would avoid WSGR at all costs. HR was terrible. Reasons in my PIP were also factually incorrect and despite providing proof, nothing. Terminated. Oh well. Unemployment was nice. Found a better job at higher ranked firm with nicer people. Don't buy into the WSGR kool-aid.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:06 pmSame partner as above.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:56 pmDo you think there will be actual layoffs?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:43 pm
I am a partner at WSGR and I will note that there have not been "stealth layoffs" - there have been, in my group, performance based terminations. This happens at every firm unfortunately - its a tough job.
I think people forget that people do get fired for performance at law firms. Just because people get fired outside of an announced mass layoff does not mean a firm conducted a "stealth layoff".
It has been discussed given that most of our competitors have had layoffs, but the firm decided not to. Things can change, but right now there is no plan to do so.
People get fired for performance at every firm. Many of those people nonetheless bill the bonus target hours. This is not unique to WSGR.
WSGR markets itself as a firm wherein you can work with great individuals, on "cool" matters, with "groundbreaking" companies. What they don't tell you, however, is that the firm is incredibly siloed. You interview into a group, thinking its "free market," but in reality, that group, and namely, one or two partners, control your destiny. If you don't click, or laugh at their jokes, etc, you will find ourself on the way out. Sure, you can try and reach out to other partners in different groups, but they have to get the sign off from your siloed group partner. So once the waters are tainted, you are done, despite the firm marketing itself as a place where you can "choose your own path." I'd simply avoid.
If you have the choice of working at a different firm, I'd go there. I lateraled in, thinking it was great, boy was I wrong. Thankfully, I've found a much better firm, better reputation and kinder people. Do yourself a favor.
In my experience, forever. No, because it's biglaw and there's no rationality; they would rather starve you of work for a year and then let you go instead of letting you move to another group or work for other partners.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:40 pmHow long are you tethered to your partner(s)? If you don’t click, wouldn’t they want to pass you to another partner (maybe one they don’t like)?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:17 pmCurrent associate at WSGR; would agree, and advise people away from WSGR if they have options at other tech firms. The firm is unbelievably siloed; it's almost impossible to get work from other groups, and often extremely difficult to get work from other partners within your practice group.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:40 pmSame "stealthed" WSGR associate as above. Agreed, a single termination isn't evident of a widespread pattern, but, having read through this forum for the past several months, as well as having friends at the firm who have found themselves in a similar position, I would refer to my termination, as well as others I have known in the past several months, as "stealthed."Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:18 amSame partner as above. I am sorry this happened to you, but a single termination isn't evidence of a stealth layoff. Stealth layoffs refer to widespread terminations that aren't disclosed to the rest of the firm.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:27 pmLOL @ this partner. Was a WSGR associate who was "stealthed." Received a PIP even though I was on pace to bill 1,950 hours. Let's not put lipstick on a pig. I would avoid WSGR at all costs. HR was terrible. Reasons in my PIP were also factually incorrect and despite providing proof, nothing. Terminated. Oh well. Unemployment was nice. Found a better job at higher ranked firm with nicer people. Don't buy into the WSGR kool-aid.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:06 pmSame partner as above.
It has been discussed given that most of our competitors have had layoffs, but the firm decided not to. Things can change, but right now there is no plan to do so.
People get fired for performance at every firm. Many of those people nonetheless bill the bonus target hours. This is not unique to WSGR.
WSGR markets itself as a firm wherein you can work with great individuals, on "cool" matters, with "groundbreaking" companies. What they don't tell you, however, is that the firm is incredibly siloed. You interview into a group, thinking its "free market," but in reality, that group, and namely, one or two partners, control your destiny. If you don't click, or laugh at their jokes, etc, you will find ourself on the way out. Sure, you can try and reach out to other partners in different groups, but they have to get the sign off from your siloed group partner. So once the waters are tainted, you are done, despite the firm marketing itself as a place where you can "choose your own path." I'd simply avoid.
If you have the choice of working at a different firm, I'd go there. I lateraled in, thinking it was great, boy was I wrong. Thankfully, I've found a much better firm, better reputation and kinder people. Do yourself a favor.
How many people have been stealthed if you had to guess?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:07 pmIn my experience, forever. No, because it's biglaw and there's no rationality; they would rather starve you of work for a year and then let you go instead of letting you move to another group or work for other partners.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:40 pmHow long are you tethered to your partner(s)? If you don’t click, wouldn’t they want to pass you to another partner (maybe one they don’t like)?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:17 pmCurrent associate at WSGR; would agree, and advise people away from WSGR if they have options at other tech firms. The firm is unbelievably siloed; it's almost impossible to get work from other groups, and often extremely difficult to get work from other partners within your practice group.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:40 pmSame "stealthed" WSGR associate as above. Agreed, a single termination isn't evident of a widespread pattern, but, having read through this forum for the past several months, as well as having friends at the firm who have found themselves in a similar position, I would refer to my termination, as well as others I have known in the past several months, as "stealthed."Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:18 amSame partner as above. I am sorry this happened to you, but a single termination isn't evidence of a stealth layoff. Stealth layoffs refer to widespread terminations that aren't disclosed to the rest of the firm.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:27 pmLOL @ this partner. Was a WSGR associate who was "stealthed." Received a PIP even though I was on pace to bill 1,950 hours. Let's not put lipstick on a pig. I would avoid WSGR at all costs. HR was terrible. Reasons in my PIP were also factually incorrect and despite providing proof, nothing. Terminated. Oh well. Unemployment was nice. Found a better job at higher ranked firm with nicer people. Don't buy into the WSGR kool-aid.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:06 pm
Same partner as above.
It has been discussed given that most of our competitors have had layoffs, but the firm decided not to. Things can change, but right now there is no plan to do so.
People get fired for performance at every firm. Many of those people nonetheless bill the bonus target hours. This is not unique to WSGR.
WSGR markets itself as a firm wherein you can work with great individuals, on "cool" matters, with "groundbreaking" companies. What they don't tell you, however, is that the firm is incredibly siloed. You interview into a group, thinking its "free market," but in reality, that group, and namely, one or two partners, control your destiny. If you don't click, or laugh at their jokes, etc, you will find ourself on the way out. Sure, you can try and reach out to other partners in different groups, but they have to get the sign off from your siloed group partner. So once the waters are tainted, you are done, despite the firm marketing itself as a place where you can "choose your own path." I'd simply avoid.
If you have the choice of working at a different firm, I'd go there. I lateraled in, thinking it was great, boy was I wrong. Thankfully, I've found a much better firm, better reputation and kinder people. Do yourself a favor.