First year start date delays? Forum

[Anonymous User]

Heard Gunderson pushed back their first year start date from mid-October to TBD. Are any other firms doing this?

[Anonymous User]

Big (if true)

[Anonymous User]

Is this legit?

[Anonymous User]

Already started but sorta wish I could grift for another month or two

[Anonymous User]

ATL would have covered by now if true.

[Anonymous User]

Can confirm this is true. Gunderson delayed start date until January. 1st years will get a monthly stipend until then

[Anonymous User]

Can confirm this is true. Gunderson delayed start date until January. 1st years will get a monthly stipend until then

How much is the monthly stipend?

[Anonymous User]

Can confirm this is true. Gunderson delayed start date until January. 1st years will get a monthly stipend until then

How much is the monthly stipend?

Heard $12K/mo. Pretty generous!

[Anonymous User]

That just sounds really bizarre. How is it cheaper to pay 2/3 salary instead of just training and billing out at much as you can. If the bottom really falls out of the economy, you can always just fire them later. (Although, a reputable firm should keep reserves to weather a recession...)

[Anonymous User]

That just sounds really bizarre. Hod is it cheaper to pay 2/3 salary instead of just training and billing out at much as you can. If the bottom really falls out of the economy, you can always just fire them later. (Although, a reputable firm should keep reserves to weather a recession...)

Don’t have to pay health insurance - and that work will be done by second/third years at higher rates. No point in onboarding first years if tons of existing associates are pacing under 100 a month.

[Anonymous User]

That just sounds really bizarre. Hod is it cheaper to pay 2/3 salary instead of just training and billing out at much as you can. If the bottom really falls out of the economy, you can always just fire them later. (Although, a reputable firm should keep reserves to weather a recession...)

Don’t have to pay health insurance - and that work will be done by second/third years at higher rates. No point in onboarding first years if tons of existing associates are pacing under 100 a month.

Yeah OK benefits and overhead etc, probably closer to 1/2 not 2/3. Maybe less. Still a decent amount of money to spend for no return. Not to mention the PR hit. Plus, it's cruel. I know people from the GFC who got delayed and delayed until they ended up unemployed, a year out of law school, with a gap on resume. Either hire them or fire them.

And of course there's a point to onboarding. Get them trained in and ready to bill sooner. Everyone complained that the covid delayed juniors sucked, have we learned nothing? If the recession lasts a while you actually want them in sooner so you can ease out the 4th years making 350 (not advocating this just trying to see if from a hard-nosed partner perspective).

[lawlo]

Can anyone answer whether Gunderson is very slow right now? I would assume so, and that other firms that focus on ecvc are as well.

[Anonymous User]

Can anyone answer whether Gunderson is very slow right now? I would assume so, and that other firms that focus on ecvc are as well.

At Cooley/Fenwick/WSGR, ecvc is quite slow right now so I’m sure Gunderson is also slow as well.

[Anonymous User]

Can anyone answer whether Gunderson is very slow right now? I would assume so, and that other firms that focus on ecvc are as well.

At Cooley/Fenwick/WSGR, ecvc is quite slow right now so I’m sure Gunderson is also slow as well.

Yes, can confirm at least on the West Coast things are very slow.

[Anonymous User]

I’ve heard west coast associates are struggling to get to 100 hours/month. I’ve heard east coast is better.

Also, I heard that the firm is giving $6000/month (not $12,000).

[Anonymous User]

I’ve heard west coast associates are struggling to get to 100 hours/month. I’ve heard east coast is better.

Also, I heard that the firm is giving $6000/month (not $12,000).

Assuming that Gunderson sticks to the Jan date and doesn't defer further I would love this - could travel all over the world nicely on 6k a month, especially with the rise in the value of USD.

[Anonymous User]

I’ve heard west coast associates are struggling to get to 100 hours/month. I’ve heard east coast is better.

Also, I heard that the firm is giving $6000/month (not $12,000).

Assuming that Gunderson sticks to the Jan date and doesn't defer further I would love this - could travel all over the world nicely on 6k a month, especially with the rise in the value of USD.

Agreed. A 20k international vacation with a job offer at the end? sounds like a once in a lifetime opportunity.

[Excellent117]

I’ve heard west coast associates are struggling to get to 100 hours/month. I’ve heard east coast is better.

Also, I heard that the firm is giving $6000/month (not $12,000).

Assuming that Gunderson sticks to the Jan date and doesn't defer further I would love this - could travel all over the world nicely on 6k a month, especially with the rise in the value of USD.

Given the context of the start delay (if true), it'd be less than prudent for a recent graduate to spend that stipend on a lavish trip around the world.

[Anonymous User]

I’ve heard west coast associates are struggling to get to 100 hours/month. I’ve heard east coast is better.

Also, I heard that the firm is giving $6000/month (not $12,000).

Assuming that Gunderson sticks to the Jan date and doesn't defer further I would love this - could travel all over the world nicely on 6k a month, especially with the rise in the value of USD.

Agreed. A 20k international vacation with a job offer at the end? sounds like a once in a lifetime opportunity.

And yet S&C and others got drilled for 20k + offers for cancelling the 2020 summer lol

[Anonymous User]

I’ve heard west coast associates are struggling to get to 100 hours/month. I’ve heard east coast is better.

Also, I heard that the firm is giving $6000/month (not $12,000).

Assuming that Gunderson sticks to the Jan date and doesn't defer further I would love this - could travel all over the world nicely on 6k a month, especially with the rise in the value of USD.

Agreed. A 20k international vacation with a job offer at the end? sounds like a once in a lifetime opportunity.

And yet S&C and others got drilled for 20k + offers for cancelling the 2020 summer lol

Except most summers got paid ~$40K and summer programs are basically a vacation anyways. (Although maybe not at S&C )

[Anonymous User]

I’ve heard west coast associates are struggling to get to 100 hours/month. I’ve heard east coast is better.

Also, I heard that the firm is giving $6000/month (not $12,000).

Assuming that Gunderson sticks to the Jan date and doesn't defer further I would love this - could travel all over the world nicely on 6k a month, especially with the rise in the value of USD.

Agreed. A 20k international vacation with a job offer at the end? sounds like a once in a lifetime opportunity.

And yet S&C and others got drilled for 20k + offers for cancelling the 2020 summer lol

Except most summers got paid ~$40K and summer programs are basically a vacation anyways. (Although maybe not at S&C )

Travel also wasn't a thing during summer 2020.

[Anonymous User]

I’ve heard west coast associates are struggling to get to 100 hours/month. I’ve heard east coast is better.

Also, I heard that the firm is giving $6000/month (not $12,000).

Assuming that Gunderson sticks to the Jan date and doesn't defer further I would love this - could travel all over the world nicely on 6k a month, especially with the rise in the value of USD.

Given the context of the start delay (if true), it'd be less than prudent for a recent graduate to spend that stipend on a lavish trip around the world.

Given the strength of the dollar, staying in hotels or airbnb for months on end abroad would probably be about as much as rent in a big US city (not Texas).

[Anonymous User]

I’ve heard west coast associates are struggling to get to 100 hours/month. I’ve heard east coast is better.

Also, I heard that the firm is giving $6000/month (not $12,000).

Assuming that Gunderson sticks to the Jan date and doesn't defer further I would love this - could travel all over the world nicely on 6k a month, especially with the rise in the value of USD.

Agreed. A 20k international vacation with a job offer at the end? sounds like a once in a lifetime opportunity.

And yet S&C and others got drilled for 20k + offers for cancelling the 2020 summer lol

Except most summers got paid ~$40K and summer programs are basically a vacation anyways. (Although maybe not at S&C )

Travel also wasn't a thing during summer 2020.

Not all vacations require international or even domestic travel. Seems besides the point that while S&C paid summers 20K to do nothing, other firms paid summers 40K to pretty much do nothing as well.

[Anonymous User]

I’ve heard west coast associates are struggling to get to 100 hours/month. I’ve heard east coast is better.

Also, I heard that the firm is giving $6000/month (not $12,000).

Assuming that Gunderson sticks to the Jan date and doesn't defer further I would love this - could travel all over the world nicely on 6k a month, especially with the rise in the value of USD.

Agreed. A 20k international vacation with a job offer at the end? sounds like a once in a lifetime opportunity.

And yet S&C and others got drilled for 20k + offers for cancelling the 2020 summer lol

Except most summers got paid ~$40K and summer programs are basically a vacation anyways. (Although maybe not at S&C )

Travel also wasn't a thing during summer 2020.

Not all vacations require international or even domestic travel. Seems besides the point that while S&C paid summers 20K to do nothing, other firms paid summers 40K to pretty much do nothing as well.

Lol how is it beyond the point that all other firms offered double the compensation of S&C? That's like the only point of this job - the money. What kind of weird apologist S&C post is this?

[Anonymous User]

ATL posted an article about Gunderson - apparently 6K monthly stipend but no healthcare. https://abovethelaw.com/2022/09/gunders ... art-dates/