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Sounds like basically a re-do of suits, except with a female protagonist and without the silly faking Harvard attendance impostor subplot. In both cases, you have to wonder why they didn't bother to have an actual lawyer make a couple of edits to the script. Would have cost almost nothing and not hurt the enjoyment of the non-lawyer audience at all.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 3:37 pmI think this is essentially Grey's Anatomy for wanna-be lawyers.
Just like Grey's, it's not supposed to be accurate to the profession. It's just a light-hearted chick-flick about a woman lawyer/doctor. Thus, the accuracy to law firms/jargon doesn't really matter - it's about being a high-powered woman navigating the dating world and work and is essentially made to be a mindless fantasy/escape.
I have a lot more to complain about than the inaccuracies in the law, such as the absolute horrendous dialogue/writing and acting.
Asian women hate being sexualized unless it's hot white men lol. The producers know who they're catering to, our culture is doomed.lawstudent212 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:45 pmWatched a couple of episodes and was cringing at many moments. Every single M&A deal has a MAC clause and they act as though its a brilliant thought to include one..... Anyone else find this show pretty unrealistic / stupid?
Also raises an interesting point: who has it worse, asian women (who are hypersexualized) or men (who are often perceived as undesirable)? At least with respect to the film industry, the former are definitely benefiting. But in the law setting? Curious on AAPI perspectives.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:15 pmAsian women hate being sexualized unless it's hot white men lol. The producers know who they're catering to, our culture is doomed.lawstudent212 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:45 pmWatched a couple of episodes and was cringing at many moments. Every single M&A deal has a MAC clause and they act as though its a brilliant thought to include one..... Anyone else find this show pretty unrealistic / stupid?
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:24 pmAlso raises an interesting point: who has it worse, asian women (who are hypersexualized) or men (who are often perceived as undesirable)? At least with respect to the film industry, the former are definitely benefiting. But in the law setting? Curious on AAPI perspectives.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:15 pmAsian women hate being sexualized unless it's hot white men lol. The producers know who they're catering to, our culture is doomed.lawstudent212 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:45 pmWatched a couple of episodes and was cringing at many moments. Every single M&A deal has a MAC clause and they act as though its a brilliant thought to include one..... Anyone else find this show pretty unrealistic / stupid?
I'm on the recruiting committee of my v10, and I would say (at least for my major secondary office) we probably get 2x-3x the number of Asian women applicants compared to Asian men applicants. It might even be higher. And a large majority are Chinese applicants (grew up in China).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:09 pmAnonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:24 pmAlso raises an interesting point: who has it worse, asian women (who are hypersexualized) or men (who are often perceived as undesirable)? At least with respect to the film industry, the former are definitely benefiting. But in the law setting? Curious on AAPI perspectives.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:15 pmAsian women hate being sexualized unless it's hot white men lol. The producers know who they're catering to, our culture is doomed.lawstudent212 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:45 pmWatched a couple of episodes and was cringing at many moments. Every single M&A deal has a MAC clause and they act as though its a brilliant thought to include one..... Anyone else find this show pretty unrealistic / stupid?
I think someone touched on this in the other thread about discrimination against Asian Americans in the legal field. I will say this: When you see an Asian guy at an elite law firm (particularly the NYC white shoes, bc that's what I'm most familiar with), you can be pretty certain that he did everything "right" - top LSAT score, top undergrad GPA, likely T6 or T14, solid to excellent 1L grades, etc. There is very little margin for error for Asian men trying to get into the top firms (and of course it's only more pronounced for clerkships or Big Fed). I'm sure Asian women face similar barriers to entry, but if you're a [straight-presenting] Asian male law student, you really have nothing that law firms want in terms of recruiting brochure-padding purposes. Now, some people might twist and turn that into a perverse "pro" - i.e., an Asian guy is less likely than any other demographic to get questioned about how he got there - which I don't agree with, but that's another debate.
Just take a look at the recent summer or first year classes at places like CSM or S&C or STB and you'll see that while there are often 20-30 Asian women in a class of say 100-150, there are maybe 5-10 (at most) Asian men. I don't know who has it worse in terms of harassment/discrimination/etc. once you're working full-time at a firm, but I don't think it would be crazy to say that Asian men are judged more harshly than any other demographic - yes, including Asian women - in elite law firm recruiting, and by a tangible margin.
This makes sense because law is very much a liberal arts/language/writing type of field, which are the majors most filled with women (whereas STEM fields are dominated by men). For Asian men specifically, they often have additional societal/familial pressure to go into STEM fields like engineering, finance, etc. as well as medicine. Seeing far higher female representation in a field like law makes sense to me of significant numbers of Asian men go into those other fields at a disproportionately higher rate.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:30 amI'm on the recruiting committee of my v10, and I would say (at least for my major secondary office) we probably get 2x-3x the number of Asian women applicants compared to Asian men applicants. It might even be higher. And a large majority are Chinese applicants (grew up in China).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:09 pmAnonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:24 pmAlso raises an interesting point: who has it worse, asian women (who are hypersexualized) or men (who are often perceived as undesirable)? At least with respect to the film industry, the former are definitely benefiting. But in the law setting? Curious on AAPI perspectives.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:15 pmAsian women hate being sexualized unless it's hot white men lol. The producers know who they're catering to, our culture is doomed.lawstudent212 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:45 pmWatched a couple of episodes and was cringing at many moments. Every single M&A deal has a MAC clause and they act as though its a brilliant thought to include one..... Anyone else find this show pretty unrealistic / stupid?
I think someone touched on this in the other thread about discrimination against Asian Americans in the legal field. I will say this: When you see an Asian guy at an elite law firm (particularly the NYC white shoes, bc that's what I'm most familiar with), you can be pretty certain that he did everything "right" - top LSAT score, top undergrad GPA, likely T6 or T14, solid to excellent 1L grades, etc. There is very little margin for error for Asian men trying to get into the top firms (and of course it's only more pronounced for clerkships or Big Fed). I'm sure Asian women face similar barriers to entry, but if you're a [straight-presenting] Asian male law student, you really have nothing that law firms want in terms of recruiting brochure-padding purposes. Now, some people might twist and turn that into a perverse "pro" - i.e., an Asian guy is less likely than any other demographic to get questioned about how he got there - which I don't agree with, but that's another debate.
Just take a look at the recent summer or first year classes at places like CSM or S&C or STB and you'll see that while there are often 20-30 Asian women in a class of say 100-150, there are maybe 5-10 (at most) Asian men. I don't know who has it worse in terms of harassment/discrimination/etc. once you're working full-time at a firm, but I don't think it would be crazy to say that Asian men are judged more harshly than any other demographic - yes, including Asian women - in elite law firm recruiting, and by a tangible margin.
I don't think it's that serious. Young people have always been enamored with a rich and lavish lifestyle. If anything, blame IG.Res Ipsa Loquitter wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:25 pmShows like this are the engine behind the idiot summers and first years at my firm.
It makes them think they’ll be wildly rich, sexy and fabulous NEW YORK CITY lawyers arguing strategy in a G6 jet with a glass of champagne in hand. When in actuality most are never even competent employees. Remember the thread on bringing dogs to the office? Huge overlap between that group and those who will enjoy this show.
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 12:39 pmThis makes sense because law is very much a liberal arts/language/writing type of field, which are the majors most filled with women (whereas STEM fields are dominated by men). For Asian men specifically, they often have additional societal/familial pressure to go into STEM fields like engineering, finance, etc. as well as medicine. Seeing far higher female representation in a field like law makes sense to me of significant numbers of Asian men go into those other fields at a disproportionately higher rate.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:30 amI'm on the recruiting committee of my v10, and I would say (at least for my major secondary office) we probably get 2x-3x the number of Asian women applicants compared to Asian men applicants. It might even be higher. And a large majority are Chinese applicants (grew up in China).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:09 pmAnonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:24 pmAlso raises an interesting point: who has it worse, asian women (who are hypersexualized) or men (who are often perceived as undesirable)? At least with respect to the film industry, the former are definitely benefiting. But in the law setting? Curious on AAPI perspectives.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:15 pmAsian women hate being sexualized unless it's hot white men lol. The producers know who they're catering to, our culture is doomed.lawstudent212 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:45 pmWatched a couple of episodes and was cringing at many moments. Every single M&A deal has a MAC clause and they act as though its a brilliant thought to include one..... Anyone else find this show pretty unrealistic / stupid?
I think someone touched on this in the other thread about discrimination against Asian Americans in the legal field. I will say this: When you see an Asian guy at an elite law firm (particularly the NYC white shoes, bc that's what I'm most familiar with), you can be pretty certain that he did everything "right" - top LSAT score, top undergrad GPA, likely T6 or T14, solid to excellent 1L grades, etc. There is very little margin for error for Asian men trying to get into the top firms (and of course it's only more pronounced for clerkships or Big Fed). I'm sure Asian women face similar barriers to entry, but if you're a [straight-presenting] Asian male law student, you really have nothing that law firms want in terms of recruiting brochure-padding purposes. Now, some people might twist and turn that into a perverse "pro" - i.e., an Asian guy is less likely than any other demographic to get questioned about how he got there - which I don't agree with, but that's another debate.
Just take a look at the recent summer or first year classes at places like CSM or S&C or STB and you'll see that while there are often 20-30 Asian women in a class of say 100-150, there are maybe 5-10 (at most) Asian men. I don't know who has it worse in terms of harassment/discrimination/etc. once you're working full-time at a firm, but I don't think it would be crazy to say that Asian men are judged more harshly than any other demographic - yes, including Asian women - in elite law firm recruiting, and by a tangible margin.
Author was at Paul Weiss in the pre-Barshay era. I don’t know if the character has much in common with Bob Schumer, but there are similarities (like the more accomplished brother). The cafe in the show is called the Jury Box/Room; I understand there’s something similar at PW. Plus all the stuff about diversity being a front was on the nose.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:17 pmShow is so cringe if you're a practicing lawyer. Is Marty Adler a nod to Lipton?
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:25 amAuthor was at Paul Weiss in the pre-Barshay era. I don’t know if the character has much in common with Bob Schumer, but there are similarities (like the more accomplished brother). The cafe in the show is called the Jury Box/Room; I understand there’s something similar at PW. Plus all the stuff about diversity being a front was on the nose.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:17 pmShow is so cringe if you're a practicing lawyer. Is Marty Adler a nod to Lipton?
Combination I would have to imagine.Joachim2017 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:21 amAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:25 amAuthor was at Paul Weiss in the pre-Barshay era. I don’t know if the character has much in common with Bob Schumer, but there are similarities (like the more accomplished brother). The cafe in the show is called the Jury Box/Room; I understand there’s something similar at PW. Plus all the stuff about diversity being a front was on the nose.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:17 pmShow is so cringe if you're a practicing lawyer. Is Marty Adler a nod to Lipton?
Out of curiosity, what's the significant distinction between PW pre- and post-Barshay? Is it a cultural "vibe", types of work/clients, or some combination of everything?
...Is the show not 50% sex/drama, 30% ethnic issues, and 20% law? So, what, you want us to talk about the 20%? Doomed cultureAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:19 amHey can we keep this thread for the show? Understand the frustration expressed here but there is another lively thread devoted to the ethnic issues.
I mean you're free to talk about whatever you want I can't stop you. To the extent the show is about race, that's relevant. But if this thread turns into another "Asian men are discriminated against" thread with a bonus of "Jews control everything", well that's just a shame because it won't be much use for discussion about the show.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:38 am...Is the show not 50% sex/drama, 30% ethnic issues, and 20% law? So, what, you want us to talk about the 20%? Doomed cultureAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:19 amHey can we keep this thread for the show? Understand the frustration expressed here but there is another lively thread devoted to the ethnic issues.
Nobody would tell black or women lawyers and law students to shut up about the discrimination they believe that they face. I’m glad Asians are speaking up and I’m all ears.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:59 amI mean you're free to talk about whatever you want I can't stop you. To the extent the show is about race, that's relevant. But if this thread turns into another "Asian men are discriminated against" thread with a bonus of "Jews control everything", well that's just a shame because it won't be much use for discussion about the show.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:38 am...Is the show not 50% sex/drama, 30% ethnic issues, and 20% law? So, what, you want us to talk about the 20%? Doomed cultureAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 9:19 amHey can we keep this thread for the show? Understand the frustration expressed here but there is another lively thread devoted to the ethnic issues.