Most competitive Gibson offices?
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:46 pm
How would you rank most competitive Gibson offices? Would DC > LA > Dallas= SF=NY be fair?
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No need to even bother with corp as for the most part GDC is a not a destination of choice for top corp candidatesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:41 pmLol what a dumb thread. FWIW, it's probably DC = Dallas = LA > SF and Denver > NYC. DC is DC, LA is where the firm is from, and the Dallas office has positioned itself as a top-end lit boutique in Texas. Go to each office's webpage, filter for litigation associates, and you'll get a good sense of credentials and clerkships.
This is for lit, no idea for corp.
Maybe in NY, but it's band 1 corp in DCAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:27 pmNo need to even bother with corp as for the most part GDC is a not a destination of choice for top corp candidatesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:41 pmLol what a dumb thread. FWIW, it's probably DC = Dallas = LA > SF and Denver > NYC. DC is DC, LA is where the firm is from, and the Dallas office has positioned itself as a top-end lit boutique in Texas. Go to each office's webpage, filter for litigation associates, and you'll get a good sense of credentials and clerkships.
This is for lit, no idea for corp.
Is Dallas really as competitive as DC for Gibson or is that more a result of Dallas being more ties-sensitive? Also where does Houston fit in on this scale.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:41 pmLol what a dumb thread. FWIW, it's probably DC = Dallas = LA > SF and Denver > NYC. DC is DC, LA is where the firm is from, and the Dallas office has positioned itself as a top-end lit boutique in Texas. Go to each office's webpage, filter for litigation associates, and you'll get a good sense of credentials and clerkships.
This is for lit, no idea for corp.
DC is the most competitive. NY is the least competitive. The other offices are in between and more variable depending school region / ties / practices. This is true for most firms.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:46 pmHow would you rank most competitive Gibson offices? Would DC > LA > Dallas= SF=NY be fair?
Take a look through the lit associate roster in Dallas. It's stacked with COA clerks. The office has materially more clerks per capita than LA. The Dallas office has a unique history and functions as a high-end lit boutique in the Texas litigation ecosystem.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:51 pmIs Dallas really as competitive as DC for Gibson or is that more a result of Dallas being more ties-sensitive? Also where does Houston fit in on this scale.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:41 pmLol what a dumb thread. FWIW, it's probably DC = Dallas = LA > SF and Denver > NYC. DC is DC, LA is where the firm is from, and the Dallas office has positioned itself as a top-end lit boutique in Texas. Go to each office's webpage, filter for litigation associates, and you'll get a good sense of credentials and clerkships.
This is for lit, no idea for corp.
eh, depends on the market. I think it’s the best corporate destination in Dallas, but certainly not in NY and probably not for Houston.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:27 pmNo need to even bother with corp as for the most part GDC is a not a destination of choice for top corp candidatesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:41 pmLol what a dumb thread. FWIW, it's probably DC = Dallas = LA > SF and Denver > NYC. DC is DC, LA is where the firm is from, and the Dallas office has positioned itself as a top-end lit boutique in Texas. Go to each office's webpage, filter for litigation associates, and you'll get a good sense of credentials and clerkships.
This is for lit, no idea for corp.
This is a pretty interesting take to say the leastAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:17 amGDC Dallas is not actually competitive. The credentials of the Dallas litigation associates largely reflect the ease with which middling (or worse) FedSoc-aligned students have scored certain kinds of clerkships in the Trump/post-Trump era. TCR here is DC on one end and NY on another, with the rest of the offices arranged at various points in between. FWIW, for a while, GDC would also let you take a post-SA offer to any office but Denver. Not sure whether that’s still the case, but it certainly suggested (again, a few years ago) that Denver was the most oversubscribed office.
How difficult is it to lateral Dallas for corp. Currently at a V10 in CA. Are they actually elite in that market, had always thought it was mainly lit thereAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:24 amThis is a pretty interesting take to say the leastAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:17 amGDC Dallas is not actually competitive. The credentials of the Dallas litigation associates largely reflect the ease with which middling (or worse) FedSoc-aligned students have scored certain kinds of clerkships in the Trump/post-Trump era. TCR here is DC on one end and NY on another, with the rest of the offices arranged at various points in between. FWIW, for a while, GDC would also let you take a post-SA offer to any office but Denver. Not sure whether that’s still the case, but it certainly suggested (again, a few years ago) that Denver was the most oversubscribed office.
I’ll be there for Dallas corp. It’s a smaller shop vs KE but they’re definitely adding associates, especially juniors, so definitely worth a try.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:59 amHow difficult is it to lateral Dallas for corp. Currently at a V10 in CA. Are they actually elite in that market, had always thought it was mainly lit thereAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:24 amThis is a pretty interesting take to say the leastAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:17 amGDC Dallas is not actually competitive. The credentials of the Dallas litigation associates largely reflect the ease with which middling (or worse) FedSoc-aligned students have scored certain kinds of clerkships in the Trump/post-Trump era. TCR here is DC on one end and NY on another, with the rest of the offices arranged at various points in between. FWIW, for a while, GDC would also let you take a post-SA offer to any office but Denver. Not sure whether that’s still the case, but it certainly suggested (again, a few years ago) that Denver was the most oversubscribed office.
Far, far from a “top” corporate destination in Houston. I’m sure there are great lawyers in that office, but it’s just way too small to be particularly relevant at the top of the market (56 lawyers, vs ~120 at Latham and ~250 at Kirkland and V&E). Still twice as big as Skadden’s Houston office though. And about the same size as Simpson (which has 60). Neither of those are a top corporate destination either, however.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:43 ameh, depends on the market. I think it’s the best corporate destination in Dallas, but certainly not in NY and probably not for Houston.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:27 pmNo need to even bother with corp as for the most part GDC is a not a destination of choice for top corp candidatesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:41 pmLol what a dumb thread. FWIW, it's probably DC = Dallas = LA > SF and Denver > NYC. DC is DC, LA is where the firm is from, and the Dallas office has positioned itself as a top-end lit boutique in Texas. Go to each office's webpage, filter for litigation associates, and you'll get a good sense of credentials and clerkships.
This is for lit, no idea for corp.
Yeah, true. The other side of the coin though is basically any t14 student with median grades and a pulse can be hired to bill for V&E/KE HoustonAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:28 pmFar, far from a “top” corporate destination in Houston. I’m sure there are great lawyers in that office, but it’s just way too small to be particularly relevant at the top of the market (56 lawyers, vs ~120 at Latham and ~250 at Kirkland and V&E). Still twice as big as Skadden’s Houston office though. And about the same size as Simpson (which has 60). Neither of those are a top corporate destination either, however.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:43 ameh, depends on the market. I think it’s the best corporate destination in Dallas, but certainly not in NY and probably not for Houston.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:27 pmNo need to even bother with corp as for the most part GDC is a not a destination of choice for top corp candidatesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:41 pmLol what a dumb thread. FWIW, it's probably DC = Dallas = LA > SF and Denver > NYC. DC is DC, LA is where the firm is from, and the Dallas office has positioned itself as a top-end lit boutique in Texas. Go to each office's webpage, filter for litigation associates, and you'll get a good sense of credentials and clerkships.
This is for lit, no idea for corp.
And yet another thread turns into K&E bashing by people who are upset their oh so preftigious firms are getting trounced by the team from Chicago.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:35 pmYeah, true. The other side of the coin though is basically any t14 student with median grades and a pulse can be hired to bill for V&E/KE HoustonAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:28 pmFar, far from a “top” corporate destination in Houston. I’m sure there are great lawyers in that office, but it’s just way too small to be particularly relevant at the top of the market (56 lawyers, vs ~120 at Latham and ~250 at Kirkland and V&E). Still twice as big as Skadden’s Houston office though. And about the same size as Simpson (which has 60). Neither of those are a top corporate destination either, however.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:43 ameh, depends on the market. I think it’s the best corporate destination in Dallas, but certainly not in NY and probably not for Houston.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:27 pmNo need to even bother with corp as for the most part GDC is a not a destination of choice for top corp candidatesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:41 pmLol what a dumb thread. FWIW, it's probably DC = Dallas = LA > SF and Denver > NYC. DC is DC, LA is where the firm is from, and the Dallas office has positioned itself as a top-end lit boutique in Texas. Go to each office's webpage, filter for litigation associates, and you'll get a good sense of credentials and clerkships.
This is for lit, no idea for corp.
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:01 pmAnd yet another thread turns into K&E bashing by people who are upset their oh so preftigious firms are getting trounced by the team from Chicago.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:35 pmYeah, true. The other side of the coin though is basically any t14 student with median grades and a pulse can be hired to bill for V&E/KE HoustonAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:28 pmFar, far from a “top” corporate destination in Houston. I’m sure there are great lawyers in that office, but it’s just way too small to be particularly relevant at the top of the market (56 lawyers, vs ~120 at Latham and ~250 at Kirkland and V&E). Still twice as big as Skadden’s Houston office though. And about the same size as Simpson (which has 60). Neither of those are a top corporate destination either, however.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:43 ameh, depends on the market. I think it’s the best corporate destination in Dallas, but certainly not in NY and probably not for Houston.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:27 pmNo need to even bother with corp as for the most part GDC is a not a destination of choice for top corp candidatesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:41 pmLol what a dumb thread. FWIW, it's probably DC = Dallas = LA > SF and Denver > NYC. DC is DC, LA is where the firm is from, and the Dallas office has positioned itself as a top-end lit boutique in Texas. Go to each office's webpage, filter for litigation associates, and you'll get a good sense of credentials and clerkships.
This is for lit, no idea for corp.
Also, outside of Susman and (maybe) GDC Dallas, are there any truly grade-selective Texas offices? I always thought the issue with Texas wasn't grades but rather ties.
For lit, you’ve got Gibson for Dallas and all the elite Houston boutiques. Not just Susman but also Gibbs Bruns, Yetter, and a few others that are slightly less selective. Given the number of quality boutiques, I would probably say Houston is a better place to be a litigator, all else equal.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:01 pmAnd yet another thread turns into K&E bashing by people who are upset their oh so preftigious firms are getting trounced by the team from Chicago.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:35 pmYeah, true. The other side of the coin though is basically any t14 student with median grades and a pulse can be hired to bill for V&E/KE HoustonAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:28 pmFar, far from a “top” corporate destination in Houston. I’m sure there are great lawyers in that office, but it’s just way too small to be particularly relevant at the top of the market (56 lawyers, vs ~120 at Latham and ~250 at Kirkland and V&E). Still twice as big as Skadden’s Houston office though. And about the same size as Simpson (which has 60). Neither of those are a top corporate destination either, however.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:43 ameh, depends on the market. I think it’s the best corporate destination in Dallas, but certainly not in NY and probably not for Houston.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:27 pmNo need to even bother with corp as for the most part GDC is a not a destination of choice for top corp candidatesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:41 pmLol what a dumb thread. FWIW, it's probably DC = Dallas = LA > SF and Denver > NYC. DC is DC, LA is where the firm is from, and the Dallas office has positioned itself as a top-end lit boutique in Texas. Go to each office's webpage, filter for litigation associates, and you'll get a good sense of credentials and clerkships.
This is for lit, no idea for corp.
Also, outside of Susman and (maybe) GDC Dallas, are there any truly grade-selective Texas offices? I always thought the issue with Texas wasn't grades but rather ties.
Yeah I feel like the Texas litigation scene is far more fractured into boutiques than many other markets. BigLaw offices that focus mostly on transactional and an unusually large collection of litigation boutiques taking up a lot of the high end lit work. Many of the BigLaw lit departments are also stocked with ex-boutique people and function as their own little lit shop within the larger office.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 5:00 pmFor lit, you’ve got Gibson for Dallas and all the elite Houston boutiques. Not just Susman but also Gibbs Bruns, Yetter, and a few others that are slightly less selective. Given the number of quality boutiques, I would probably say Houston is a better place to be a litigator, all else equal.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:01 pmAnd yet another thread turns into K&E bashing by people who are upset their oh so preftigious firms are getting trounced by the team from Chicago.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:35 pmYeah, true. The other side of the coin though is basically any t14 student with median grades and a pulse can be hired to bill for V&E/KE HoustonAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 12:28 pmFar, far from a “top” corporate destination in Houston. I’m sure there are great lawyers in that office, but it’s just way too small to be particularly relevant at the top of the market (56 lawyers, vs ~120 at Latham and ~250 at Kirkland and V&E). Still twice as big as Skadden’s Houston office though. And about the same size as Simpson (which has 60). Neither of those are a top corporate destination either, however.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:43 ameh, depends on the market. I think it’s the best corporate destination in Dallas, but certainly not in NY and probably not for Houston.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:27 pmNo need to even bother with corp as for the most part GDC is a not a destination of choice for top corp candidatesAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:41 pmLol what a dumb thread. FWIW, it's probably DC = Dallas = LA > SF and Denver > NYC. DC is DC, LA is where the firm is from, and the Dallas office has positioned itself as a top-end lit boutique in Texas. Go to each office's webpage, filter for litigation associates, and you'll get a good sense of credentials and clerkships.
This is for lit, no idea for corp.
Also, outside of Susman and (maybe) GDC Dallas, are there any truly grade-selective Texas offices? I always thought the issue with Texas wasn't grades but rather ties.
I looked through the GDC Dallas litigation associates, as this does not match my experience, and this describes literally none of them. All of the Fed Soc clerk ones graduated with Latin honors and/or Coif from T10s (except the YLS/newer SLS ones, as YLS and recently SLS do not have honors or Coif). Plus they also have a lot of clerks for liberal or nonideological judges. Anyone curious can look through them for themselves, there aren't that many. There are absolutely some Fed Soc clerks with mediocre credentials, but it appears that GDC Dallas hasn't been hiring them.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:17 amGDC Dallas is not actually competitive. The credentials of the Dallas litigation associates largely reflect the ease with which middling (or worse) FedSoc-aligned students have scored certain kinds of clerkships in the Trump/post-Trump era. TCR here is DC on one end and NY on another, with the rest of the offices arranged at various points in between. FWIW, for a while, GDC would also let you take a post-SA offer to any office but Denver. Not sure whether that’s still the case, but it certainly suggested (again, a few years ago) that Denver was the most oversubscribed office.
WrongAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:17 amGDC Dallas is not actually competitive. The credentials of the Dallas litigation associates largely reflect the ease with which middling (or worse) FedSoc-aligned students have scored certain kinds of clerkships in the Trump/post-Trump era.