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any thoughts on culture? median grades + no clerkship. Can't decide.

Wilmer and it’s not close

Anonymous User wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:24 am

any thoughts on culture? median grades + no clerkship. Can't decide.

Not sure how you swung Wilmer with median grades (unless you're HYS), but this is 100% Wilmer assuming lit/WC.

Assuming lit since you mentioned clerkship. WH is hands down the better choice unless there's some weird niche practice at HL that WH doesn't offer. Congrats on nabbing a spot with median grades - that's not easy for OCI.

I'm at another WH office, but the culture was a huge draw for me. There isn't any of that biglaw hierarchy/nonsense you hear so much about. It's a bunch of wicked smart, nice people who want to get the right answer and do interesting work. Academic without being stuffy, if that makes sense.

Wilmer obviously, and do not have any doubt at all.

Worked at WH before in transactional.

As others have mentioned, if lit, WH.

Even for transactional, I think it’s still WH, although that’s more debatable.

wilmer bro HLNY is actually crumbling at the seams even in their stronger practice areas plus they have zero confidence in their ability to recruit i wouldn't touch it with my worst enemy's johnson

How did you get an offer from Wilmer with median grades? That's... really something.

Anonymous User wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:13 pm

How did you get an offer from Wilmer with median grades? That's... really something.

Wilmer NY is less selective than DC. At least at my HYS, you can get it at median (though it's tough).

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Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:13 pm

How did you get an offer from Wilmer with median grades? That's... really something.

Wilmer NY is less selective than DC. At least at my HYS, you can get it at median (though it's tough).

what is HYS?

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Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:13 pm

How did you get an offer from Wilmer with median grades? That's... really something.

Wilmer NY is less selective than DC. At least at my HYS, you can get it at median (though it's tough).

what is HYS?

Hannity Yanson Solomon

Anonymous User wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:13 pm

How did you get an offer from Wilmer with median grades? That's... really something.

Wilmer NY is less selective than DC. At least at my HYS, you can get it at median (though it's tough).

what is HYS?

Harvard Yale Stanford

For reasons that are not totally clear to me, people on this site will frequently say things like “at my HYS,” “at my Y/S” [Yale/Stanford], “at my CCN” [Columbia Chicago NYU], “at my MVPB” [Michigan Virginia Penn Berkeley]… and now with the most recent rankings shakeup we’re seeing more “at my YSC” [Yale Stanford Chicago] and “at my CCNP” [Columbia Chicago NYU Penn]

I guess the point of this is to provide some context for whatever statement comes next without explicitly outing what school they go to? Idk it’s weird.

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Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:15 am

Anonymous User wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:13 pm

How did you get an offer from Wilmer with median grades? That's... really something.

Wilmer NY is less selective than DC. At least at my HYS, you can get it at median (though it's tough).

what is HYS?

Harvard Yale Stanford

For reasons that are not totally clear to me, people on this site will frequently say things like “at my HYS,” “at my Y/S” [Yale/Stanford], “at my CCN” [Columbia Chicago NYU], “at my MVPB” [Michigan Virginia Penn Berkeley]… and now with the most recent rankings shakeup we’re seeing more “at my YSC” [Yale Stanford Chicago] and “at my CCNP” [Columbia Chicago NYU Penn]

I guess the point of this is to provide some context for whatever statement comes next without explicitly outing what school they go to? Idk it’s weird.

Right, but I think for purposes of OCI (and to some degree, clerkship hiring) there is some degree of banding that happens in the T14 along these lines. Are you screwed because you're at a CCN and not a YHS? No. Does P's slow push to join CCN mean anything? Probably not. Does GULC's drop from the T14 mean everyone should mass mail ASAP? I'd like to think so, but sadly no. However, there's advice that's more relevant to certain bands (like what the original quoted anon is saying). Just because someone at YHS median can land WH NYC, doesn't mean that someone from GULC can (but it's also not necessarily true that they can't). It's the same sort of thing as caveating firm advice with the Vault rankings. Few things scale perfectly with Vault, but it does provide a fuller picture.

I will say, however, that most of the time people say "my CCN" or "my V10," they are probably using it more as a preftige flex than as a meaningful distinction. We care what other lawyers think about us online.

(enter some Penn grad "K&E should be a V5" types to try to prove me wrong)