Penn 2022 OCI Forum

[Res Ipsa Loquitter]

What firm has already filled most of its class??

Re: that firm list— Ropes can be pretty grade picky. FF and Cadwalader as well as Jones Day aren’t as much. But my impression was that places like FF and CWT are for folks at the way bottom of the class, not those just a hair below median.

Not sure what’s happening at Cad recently, but Fried Frank from the way bottom of Penn’s class would be hard to swing.

[Anonymous User]

Maybe a bit off-topic, but Texas day tomorrow!

Does anyone know what Texas firms are within reach and perhaps not within reach, around median? Houston offices in particular.

Gibson (DAL), Latham, Skadden are known to be grade sensitive, although out of those three Latham is by far the best for transactional in TX. Gibson Dallas in particular is very grade sensitive since that is one of their best litigation offices. Skadden is grade sensitive but is a small player down here. Not sure about Sidley but they are improving in the market.

KE and V&E are top of the market and both should be fine at or around the median as a Penn student. All of the other firms (NRF, HB, BB, JD) should be fine as well but are sub-optimal firms to land at. More important than grades is making sure you either have some okay ties down in Texas or at least a compelling story as to why you want to work down here (aka not financial). A good story can help cover for less than median grades.

[Anonymous User]

Maybe a bit off-topic, but Texas day tomorrow!

Does anyone know what Texas firms are within reach and perhaps not within reach, around median? Houston offices in particular.

Gibson (DAL), Latham, Skadden are known to be grade sensitive, although out of those three Latham is by far the best for transactional in TX. Gibson Dallas in particular is very grade sensitive since that is one of their best litigation offices. Skadden is grade sensitive but is a small player down here. Not sure about Sidley but they are improving in the market.

KE and V&E are top of the market and both should be fine at or around the median as a Penn student. All of the other firms (NRF, HB, BB, JD) should be fine as well but are sub-optimal firms to land at. More important than grades is making sure you either have some okay ties down in Texas or at least a compelling story as to why you want to work down here (aka not financial). A good story can help cover for less than median grades.

Any particular reason why NRF and JD are sub-optimal firms to land at? Had both of them on my list but wondering if there are any reasons not to go to those firms aside from the fact that they are not at the top of the TX market.

[Anonymous User]

Maybe a bit off-topic, but Texas day tomorrow!

Does anyone know what Texas firms are within reach and perhaps not within reach, around median? Houston offices in particular.

Gibson (DAL), Latham, Skadden are known to be grade sensitive, although out of those three Latham is by far the best for transactional in TX. Gibson Dallas in particular is very grade sensitive since that is one of their best litigation offices. Skadden is grade sensitive but is a small player down here. Not sure about Sidley but they are improving in the market.

KE and V&E are top of the market and both should be fine at or around the median as a Penn student. All of the other firms (NRF, HB, BB, JD) should be fine as well but are sub-optimal firms to land at. More important than grades is making sure you either have some okay ties down in Texas or at least a compelling story as to why you want to work down here (aka not financial). A good story can help cover for less than median grades.

Any particular reason why NRF and JD are sub-optimal firms to land at? Had both of them on my list but wondering if there are any reasons not to go to those firms aside from the fact that they are not at the top of the TX market.

Leaving Texas-specific elements out of it, NRF is a second- or third- tier firm. They pay market (ish), but really aren't close to being on the same level as the other names mentioned.

The pre-merger Fulbright & Jaworski was a TX firm, so they're probably stronger in TX than elsewhere.

[Anonymous User]

Maybe a bit off-topic, but Texas day tomorrow!

Does anyone know what Texas firms are within reach and perhaps not within reach, around median? Houston offices in particular.

Gibson (DAL), Latham, Skadden are known to be grade sensitive, although out of those three Latham is by far the best for transactional in TX. Gibson Dallas in particular is very grade sensitive since that is one of their best litigation offices. Skadden is grade sensitive but is a small player down here. Not sure about Sidley but they are improving in the market.

KE and V&E are top of the market and both should be fine at or around the median as a Penn student. All of the other firms (NRF, HB, BB, JD) should be fine as well but are sub-optimal firms to land at. More important than grades is making sure you either have some okay ties down in Texas or at least a compelling story as to why you want to work down here (aka not financial). A good story can help cover for less than median grades.

Any particular reason why NRF and JD are sub-optimal firms to land at? Had both of them on my list but wondering if there are any reasons not to go to those firms aside from the fact that they are not at the top of the TX market.

Leaving Texas-specific elements out of it, NRF is a second- or third- tier firm. They pay market (ish), but really aren't close to being on the same level as the other names mentioned.

The pre-merger Fulbright & Jaworski was a TX firm, so they're probably stronger in TX than elsewhere.

Speaking more specifically about Texas, most of the firms I included in that second tier have had the majority of their transactional practices snatched up when Kirkland and Latham moved to town. They now mostly do middle market work or focus more heavily on litigation. If you ever plan to leave Texas or are considering exit ops, it'll definitely be a problem. Also, I've heard rumors of no-offers at NRF specifically.

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know where a 3.8 puts someone in the class? Top 5%? 10%?

bumping this

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know where a 3.8 puts someone in the class? Top 5%? 10%?

bumping this

Based on historical data culled here and elsewhere, I'd say no less than 10%-ish (at the end of 1L - higher for upperclassmen because of the rampant grade inflation around here).

It's basically impossible to narrow it down more than that.

[Anonymous User]

Good luck to everyone today!

[Anonymous User]

What’s the sense people have about how long it’s taking for firms to get back to people after screeners? More like 24 hours or 48? Doing NYC, Philly, DC and not sure what the timeline is

[Catz4days]

What’s the sense people have about how long it’s taking for firms to get back to people after screeners? More like 24 hours or 48? Doing NYC, Philly, DC and not sure what the timeline is

For some of my DC screeners, I got callback requests within 36 hours. I also got dinged with a NYC firm from a screener within less than 24 hours.

[Anonymous User]

Which DC?

[Anonymous User]

What’s the sense people have about how long it’s taking for firms to get back to people after screeners? More like 24 hours or 48? Doing NYC, Philly, DC and not sure what the timeline is

Philly is notoriously slow so I wouldn't freak out if that doesn't come within 48 hours. It's pretty common to hear of over a week from screener to callback. DC varies from firm to firm, so it's hard to know without knowing the firms themselves.

As a general rule of thumb: the smaller the class at the firm, the slower it may be because they can only have so many active offers at a time. I would expect this to potentially be heightened for your class since your OCI is being held a week earlier than many peer schools.

[SummerAssociate1689]

Anyone get a Skadden NY CB from OCI?

[Anonymous User]

Anyone get a Skadden NY CB from OCI?

I know someone who did

[Anonymous User]

Anyone get a Skadden NY CB from OCI?

I know someone who did

Let's not joke around now.

[Anonymous User]

Did callbacks go out for Morgan Lewis or S&C?

[Anonymous User]

Did CBs go out for Arnold & Porter DC?

[Anonymous User]

Anyone get a Skadden NY CB from OCI?

I know someone who did

Let's not joke around now.

Different anon here, but I know with 100% certainty that multiple people have gotten Skadden NY callbacks from OCI. In fact, the folks I know who received callbacks received them the night of their Skadden OCI interviews. Doesn't mean Skadden is done with their callback invitations, of course.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone get a CB from Sullivan & Cromwell NY?

[Anonymous User]

Any callbacks from Milbank, White&Case, Willkie?

[Anonymous User]

Any callbacks from Milbank, White&Case, Willkie?

Willkie and W&C CBs went out (classmates have received them). Possible silence still from Milbank (I and my friends have not heard anything, at least).

[Anonymous User]

Anyone get a CB from Sullivan & Cromwell NY?

Wondering the same. Anyone? PLEASE BE COLLEGIAL. Thanks.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone get Latham NY CB?

[Anonymous User]

Any Debevoise CBs yet?

[Anonymous User]

Also wondering about debevoise CBs…