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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Re the question about class of '24 - yeah I'm sorry to say that I think they're screwed. Class sizes way up, firms over hired '23. Even if (or especially if) firms keep all the 23s, they will overcorrect and plan for much smaller 24 class.
If firms tighten hiring, who will get cut first? Top of class T20s? Lower-in-class T14 kids? Bottom of HYS?
YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Yup. Smaller markets get hit harder. Chicago firms are conservative hirers and quicker to shrink class size.

However, U of Cs recent clerkship power might help. It's easy to ride out a recession in a clerkship, and the hiring needs stay the same.
Most students at Chicago who prefer Chicago will just end up in NYC if the Chicago SA market shrinks. It's significantly easier to get New York than Chicago there. Neither HLS nor Chicago would struggle to put students in biglaw in a recession.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

Post by Res Ipsa Loquitter » Thu May 12, 2022 10:44 pm

Sackboy wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:35 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:34 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
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Re the question about class of '24 - yeah I'm sorry to say that I think they're screwed. Class sizes way up, firms over hired '23. Even if (or especially if) firms keep all the 23s, they will overcorrect and plan for much smaller 24 class.
If firms tighten hiring, who will get cut first? Top of class T20s? Lower-in-class T14 kids? Bottom of HYS?
YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Gotta be smart enough to not take the bait.
HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Re the question about class of '24 - yeah I'm sorry to say that I think they're screwed. Class sizes way up, firms over hired '23. Even if (or especially if) firms keep all the 23s, they will overcorrect and plan for much smaller 24 class.
If firms tighten hiring, who will get cut first? Top of class T20s? Lower-in-class T14 kids? Bottom of HYS?
YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Yup. Smaller markets get hit harder. Chicago firms are conservative hirers and quicker to shrink class size.

However, U of Cs recent clerkship power might help. It's easy to ride out a recession in a clerkship, and the hiring needs stay the same.
Most students at Chicago who prefer Chicago will just end up in NYC if the Chicago SA market shrinks. It's significantly easier to get New York than Chicago there. Neither HLS nor Chicago would struggle to put students in biglaw in a recession.
Sure they would. Maybe not the median or even the bottom 20-30%, but at some point there's gonna be kids who struggle in a recession who don't in boomtime.

It's true that Chi is a tougher market but it's also been the plurality outcome for the Chi schools. You expect NY firms, who are shrinking class sizes, to suddenly take 2-3x as many UofC kids? Maybe. Idk I'm skeptical. Guess we'll see the stats in a few years huh.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Maybe a better question is which markets are more/less exposed in this downturn. Is TX O&G going to go down (seems unlikely)? SF/SV Tech (more likely)? NY Finance (Always a q)?
RIP to any Cooley EC/VC juniors that also dumped savings into the firm's fund
IDK, something about the nature of this recession (inflation + asset value pullback) seems less likely to impact tech companies. Then again, if that fund's heavily into crypto...

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Re the question about class of '24 - yeah I'm sorry to say that I think they're screwed. Class sizes way up, firms over hired '23. Even if (or especially if) firms keep all the 23s, they will overcorrect and plan for much smaller 24 class.
If firms tighten hiring, who will get cut first? Top of class T20s? Lower-in-class T14 kids? Bottom of HYS?
YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Yup. Smaller markets get hit harder. Chicago firms are conservative hirers and quicker to shrink class size.

However, U of Cs recent clerkship power might help. It's easy to ride out a recession in a clerkship, and the hiring needs stay the same.
Most students at Chicago who prefer Chicago will just end up in NYC if the Chicago SA market shrinks. It's significantly easier to get New York than Chicago there. Neither HLS nor Chicago would struggle to put students in biglaw in a recession.
Sure they would. Maybe not the median or even the bottom 20-30%, but at some point there's gonna be kids who struggle in a recession who don't in boomtime.

It's true that Chi is a tougher market but it's also been the plurality outcome for the Chi schools. You expect NY firms, who are shrinking class sizes, to suddenly take 2-3x as many UofC kids? Maybe. Idk I'm skeptical. Guess we'll see the stats in a few years huh.
The Chicago market might marginally shrink but isn’t going to disappear, there’s no reason why NYC would need to start hiring like half the class. But in any case in the status quo NYC offices have rock-bottom yield rates at Chicago—very few have more than a couple of students accept per year, and it’s not for a lack of offers—so they don’t really need to give more offers, they just need students to accept. IIRC CSM went 0 for 10 or something in my class, that wouldn’t happen if there was a recession that disproportionately hit the other markets.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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You expect NY firms, who are shrinking class sizes, to suddenly take 2-3x as many UofC kids? Maybe. Idk I'm skeptical. Guess we'll see the stats in a few years huh.
I definitely would. Chicago is a significantly harder market to get a job in than NYC. Someone going to Morgan Lewis Chicago could have probably gone to a V10 in NYC. In a downturn, maybe they don't get a V10 in NYC, but they probably get something like Morgan Lewis NYC or [insert market paying non-prestigious NYC office].

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Thu May 12, 2022 11:49 pm
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You expect NY firms, who are shrinking class sizes, to suddenly take 2-3x as many UofC kids? Maybe. Idk I'm skeptical. Guess we'll see the stats in a few years huh.
I definitely would. Chicago is a significantly harder market to get a job in than NYC. Someone going to Morgan Lewis Chicago could have probably gone to a V10 in NYC. In a downturn, maybe they don't get a V10 in NYC, but they probably get something like Morgan Lewis NYC or [insert market paying non-prestigious NYC office].
Individually that sounds right, in the aggregate it's going to ripple. Obviously still a better place to be that a lower T14 (or lower). But eg in 2012 UofC had a 67% BL+FC rate, which is good but pretty far off from the current 80%. Difference may not seem so stark but if you're in the bottom quartile, that's going to be all the difference in the world.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Thu May 12, 2022 10:44 pm
Sackboy wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:35 pm
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Thu May 12, 2022 1:34 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:24 am
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Wed May 11, 2022 4:06 pm
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Re the question about class of '24 - yeah I'm sorry to say that I think they're screwed. Class sizes way up, firms over hired '23. Even if (or especially if) firms keep all the 23s, they will overcorrect and plan for much smaller 24 class.
If firms tighten hiring, who will get cut first? Top of class T20s? Lower-in-class T14 kids? Bottom of HYS?
YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Gotta be smart enough to not take the bait.
HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle
Either way HLS doesn’t deserve the acronym with YS, regardless it’s YS or YSC

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Res Ipsa Loquitter wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:44 pm
Sackboy wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:35 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:34 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:24 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:06 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 2:54 pm
Re the question about class of '24 - yeah I'm sorry to say that I think they're screwed. Class sizes way up, firms over hired '23. Even if (or especially if) firms keep all the 23s, they will overcorrect and plan for much smaller 24 class.
If firms tighten hiring, who will get cut first? Top of class T20s? Lower-in-class T14 kids? Bottom of HYS?
YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Gotta be smart enough to not take the bait.
HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle
Not so sure about that. Last recession HLS was seen as the degree mill that screwed over many of their students. It’s part of Harvard yes but it’s also harvad’s biggest cash cow. They are not going to cut sizes when recessions hit.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Res Ipsa Loquitter wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:44 pm
Sackboy wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:35 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:34 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:24 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:06 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 2:54 pm
Re the question about class of '24 - yeah I'm sorry to say that I think they're screwed. Class sizes way up, firms over hired '23. Even if (or especially if) firms keep all the 23s, they will overcorrect and plan for much smaller 24 class.
If firms tighten hiring, who will get cut first? Top of class T20s? Lower-in-class T14 kids? Bottom of HYS?
YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Gotta be smart enough to not take the bait.
HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle
Either way HLS doesn’t deserve the acronym with YS, regardless it’s YS or YSC
Nobody gives a shit about the acronym but you.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

Post by Res Ipsa Loquitter » Sat May 14, 2022 9:01 pm

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Res Ipsa Loquitter wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:44 pm
Sackboy wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:35 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:34 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:24 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:06 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 2:54 pm
Re the question about class of '24 - yeah I'm sorry to say that I think they're screwed. Class sizes way up, firms over hired '23. Even if (or especially if) firms keep all the 23s, they will overcorrect and plan for much smaller 24 class.
If firms tighten hiring, who will get cut first? Top of class T20s? Lower-in-class T14 kids? Bottom of HYS?
YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Gotta be smart enough to not take the bait.
HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle
Not so sure about that. Last recession HLS was seen as the degree mill that screwed over many of their students. It’s part of Harvard yes but it’s also harvad’s biggest cash cow. They are not going to cut sizes when recessions hit.
Like I said, the large class size doesn’t help in a downturn. You might even be better off at the lesser-known Chicago. But nobody but the most extreme Yale/Stanford snobs would call Harvard a diploma mill. It’s considered a world class law school.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Sat May 14, 2022 8:40 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 3:51 pm
Res Ipsa Loquitter wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:44 pm
Sackboy wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:35 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:34 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:24 am
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If firms tighten hiring, who will get cut first? Top of class T20s? Lower-in-class T14 kids? Bottom of HYS?
YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Gotta be smart enough to not take the bait.
HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle
Either way HLS doesn’t deserve the acronym with YS, regardless it’s YS or YSC
Nobody gives a shit about the acronym but you.
Nobody gives a shit about the acronym but HLS students

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

Post by Anonymous User » Sun May 15, 2022 11:46 am

Res Ipsa Loquitter wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 9:01 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 4:14 pm
Res Ipsa Loquitter wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:44 pm
Sackboy wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:35 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:34 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:24 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:06 pm


If firms tighten hiring, who will get cut first? Top of class T20s? Lower-in-class T14 kids? Bottom of HYS?
YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Gotta be smart enough to not take the bait.
HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle
Not so sure about that. Last recession HLS was seen as the degree mill that screwed over many of their students. It’s part of Harvard yes but it’s also harvad’s biggest cash cow. They are not going to cut sizes when recessions hit.
Like I said, the large class size doesn’t help in a downturn. You might even be better off at the lesser-known Chicago. But nobody but the most extreme Yale/Stanford snobs would call Harvard a diploma mill. It’s considered a world class law school.
Most other Harvard schools also consider HLS a diploma mill that dilutes the Harvard brand.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

Post by HenryHankPalmer » Sun May 15, 2022 3:01 pm

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This is a troll thread so I don't care about derailing.

Class of '22 had the worst law school experience ever and I'll die on this useless hill:
-1L switches to online midway into Spring and we're told we're P/F like 3 weeks before finals
-lol at getting anything 1L summer unless you murdered it last fall
-2L fall grades suddenly matter since OCI is pushed to January
-none of the OCI or summer associate wine and dine, just burned retinas from influencer lights between interviews and awkward as fuck Zoom SA events
-3LOL is masked
-now graduate and take the bar and show up in office
LOL @ being forced to attend zoom sa events, sounds awful.

I thought a lot of the firms just reduced their summer program to like 2 weeks but still paid SAs for the full 3 months?
That was summer 20 (class of 21). Summer 21 was full but remote or hybrid.
Yeah, the majority of '22 SA positions were fully remote unless the office was in TX, DE, etc., or unless you happened to just live closeby the office because a ton of associates/partners were already over it.

Class of '21 bitched a lot about the bar, but they're the ones that got paid in full for 2-3 weeks of watching videos. Unless they got stiffed by S&C of course.

'21 S&C summers got the most fucked of any SA class in history imo
I’d be curious to know how many of S&C’s ‘21 summers actually ended up at the firm and how that number compares to normal years?

I know of at least one other firm that boned their summers in the same way (Baker Botts) and had a mass exodus of c/o 2021 summer associates who found 3L offers.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

Post by Res Ipsa Loquitter » Sun May 15, 2022 4:00 pm

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Res Ipsa Loquitter wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 9:01 pm
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Sat May 14, 2022 4:14 pm
Res Ipsa Loquitter wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:44 pm
Sackboy wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 1:34 pm
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YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Gotta be smart enough to not take the bait.
HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle
Not so sure about that. Last recession HLS was seen as the degree mill that screwed over many of their students. It’s part of Harvard yes but it’s also harvad’s biggest cash cow. They are not going to cut sizes when recessions hit.
Like I said, the large class size doesn’t help in a downturn. You might even be better off at the lesser-known Chicago. But nobody but the most extreme Yale/Stanford snobs would call Harvard a diploma mill. It’s considered a world class law school.
Most other Harvard schools also consider HLS a diploma mill that dilutes the Harvard brand.
Maybe we know different people, but mostly I hear your view espoused by people that (1) didn’t go to an Ivy undergrad and (2) don’t know many people who did. One of my parents went to Harvard college and the other went to HBS, and I’ve never heard either of them disparage HLS in the way you’re alluding to. None of my friends with Harvard degrees have done that either. Note that I did not attend HLS — I went to an Ivy undergrad (not Harvard) and then a different (non-Harvard) top law school.

What I will concede is that getting into HLS is not as rare / prestigious as many people might think, e.g. if their only context is having seen Legally Blonde. I also think their grading system has cheapened things a bit, as far as some older attorneys and judges are concerned — mainly these are guys (and gals) who miss the shark tank it once was. Calling it a diploma mill is a bridge too far IMO, though.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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HLS is at worse a top 5 law school. It's silly to think that's a "diploma mill". I went to a literal diploma mill for UG (as in, administrators went to prison for it). No top 30 program is a diploma mill, let alone the school that still carries the most layman's prestige of any law school. You must go to Chicago to be this obtuse.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Res Ipsa Loquitter wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:44 pm
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YSC*
Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Gotta be smart enough to not take the bait.
HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle
Not so sure about that. Last recession HLS was seen as the degree mill that screwed over many of their students. It’s part of Harvard yes but it’s also harvad’s biggest cash cow. They are not going to cut sizes when recessions hit.
Like I said, the large class size doesn’t help in a downturn. You might even be better off at the lesser-known Chicago. But nobody but the most extreme Yale/Stanford snobs would call Harvard a diploma mill. It’s considered a world class law school.
Most other Harvard schools also consider HLS a diploma mill that dilutes the Harvard brand.
as someone with first-hand knowledge, this is false.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Sat May 14, 2022 4:14 pm
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Chi is absolutely not going to do better than HLS in biglaw hiring during a downturn.
Gotta be smart enough to not take the bait.
HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle
Not so sure about that. Last recession HLS was seen as the degree mill that screwed over many of their students. It’s part of Harvard yes but it’s also harvad’s biggest cash cow. They are not going to cut sizes when recessions hit.
Like I said, the large class size doesn’t help in a downturn. You might even be better off at the lesser-known Chicago. But nobody but the most extreme Yale/Stanford snobs would call Harvard a diploma mill. It’s considered a world class law school.
Most other Harvard schools also consider HLS a diploma mill that dilutes the Harvard brand.
as someone with first-hand knowledge, this is false.
Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. HLS students and alumni need to attack YLS. As of late, YLS has serious issues.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Res Ipsa Loquitter wrote:
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Gotta be smart enough to not take the bait.
HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle
Not so sure about that. Last recession HLS was seen as the degree mill that screwed over many of their students. It’s part of Harvard yes but it’s also harvad’s biggest cash cow. They are not going to cut sizes when recessions hit.
Like I said, the large class size doesn’t help in a downturn. You might even be better off at the lesser-known Chicago. But nobody but the most extreme Yale/Stanford snobs would call Harvard a diploma mill. It’s considered a world class law school.
Most other Harvard schools also consider HLS a diploma mill that dilutes the Harvard brand.
as someone with first-hand knowledge, this is false.
Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. HLS students and alumni need to attack YLS. As of late, YLS has serious issues.
I know 1/0Ls who chose H & (mostly) S over Y because of all the drama. It's a meaningful divide. Also, Palo Alto/Cambridge are infinitely nicer places to be than New Haven, so it's only a matter of time before Y sinks.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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HLS a better brand but they have 3x the kids to place. How do you know for sure they’ll do better in next down cycle
Not so sure about that. Last recession HLS was seen as the degree mill that screwed over many of their students. It’s part of Harvard yes but it’s also harvad’s biggest cash cow. They are not going to cut sizes when recessions hit.
Like I said, the large class size doesn’t help in a downturn. You might even be better off at the lesser-known Chicago. But nobody but the most extreme Yale/Stanford snobs would call Harvard a diploma mill. It’s considered a world class law school.
Most other Harvard schools also consider HLS a diploma mill that dilutes the Harvard brand.
as someone with first-hand knowledge, this is false.
Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. HLS students and alumni need to attack YLS. As of late, YLS has serious issues.
I know 1/0Ls who chose H & (mostly) S over Y because of all the drama. It's a meaningful divide. Also, Palo Alto/Cambridge are infinitely nicer places to be than New Haven, so it's only a matter of time before Y sinks.
I went on a date with a YLS student the other month who said it was basically toxic and she hated it. And that even her therapist said she should stay remote. She was very liberal btw, just tired of being around nasty, histrionic, humorless, and merciless people.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

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Sun May 15, 2022 4:43 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:36 pm
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Sun May 15, 2022 4:18 pm

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. HLS students and alumni need to attack YLS. As of late, YLS has serious issues.
I know 1/0Ls who chose H & (mostly) S over Y because of all the drama. It's a meaningful divide. Also, Palo Alto/Cambridge are infinitely nicer places to be than New Haven, so it's only a matter of time before Y sinks.
I went on a date with a YLS student the other month who said it was basically toxic and she hated it. And that even her therapist said she should stay remote. She was very liberal btw, just tired of being around nasty, histrionic, humorless, and merciless people.
(responding only to YLS comments, hope I got the quote function right)

I wonder how much of the toxicity is recent political trends + remote school effects? YLS has been publicly very nuts, but RW media is motivated to publicize the stuff from YLS so we see it more. I was in NU and it was just as crazy.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

Post by Anonymous User » Sun May 15, 2022 4:59 pm

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Sun May 15, 2022 4:36 pm
I know 1/0Ls who chose H & (mostly) S over Y because of all the drama. It's a meaningful divide. Also, Palo Alto/Cambridge are infinitely nicer places to be than New Haven, so it's only a matter of time before Y sinks.
I mean PA and Cambridge have been nicer places to be than New Haven for decades. Until Yale starts losing enough admits that it has to lower admissions standards, it's not going to sink. (Doesn't mean it's not a toxic place to be - I have no idea - but I don't think that has much to do with anything.)

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

Post by Anonymous User » Sun May 15, 2022 5:21 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:58 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:43 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:36 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:18 pm

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. HLS students and alumni need to attack YLS. As of late, YLS has serious issues.
I know 1/0Ls who chose H & (mostly) S over Y because of all the drama. It's a meaningful divide. Also, Palo Alto/Cambridge are infinitely nicer places to be than New Haven, so it's only a matter of time before Y sinks.
I went on a date with a YLS student the other month who said it was basically toxic and she hated it. And that even her therapist said she should stay remote. She was very liberal btw, just tired of being around nasty, histrionic, humorless, and merciless people.
(responding only to YLS comments, hope I got the quote function right)

I wonder how much of the toxicity is recent political trends + remote school effects? YLS has been publicly very nuts, but RW media is motivated to publicize the stuff from YLS so we see it more. I was in NU and it was just as crazy.
This seemed like someone who does not consume right wing media. Nice girl, friendly, just a victim of other people’s toxicity tbh

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

Post by Anonymous User » Sun May 15, 2022 5:24 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 5:21 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:58 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:43 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:36 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 4:18 pm

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. HLS students and alumni need to attack YLS. As of late, YLS has serious issues.
I know 1/0Ls who chose H & (mostly) S over Y because of all the drama. It's a meaningful divide. Also, Palo Alto/Cambridge are infinitely nicer places to be than New Haven, so it's only a matter of time before Y sinks.
I went on a date with a YLS student the other month who said it was basically toxic and she hated it. And that even her therapist said she should stay remote. She was very liberal btw, just tired of being around nasty, histrionic, humorless, and merciless people.
(responding only to YLS comments, hope I got the quote function right)

I wonder how much of the toxicity is recent political trends + remote school effects? YLS has been publicly very nuts, but RW media is motivated to publicize the stuff from YLS so we see it more. I was in NU and it was just as crazy.
This seemed like someone who does not consume right wing media. Nice girl, friendly, just a victim of other people’s toxicity tbh
Right, I'm saying that I think it's as bad all over these days (and I assume most ppl in the thread graduated before 2020 or so). Just Yale gets the bad rep more than others. My first hand experience in a lower T14 that doesn't hit the RW news is similar. Maybe easier to avoid in the bigger factory type school like HLS, just given size.

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Re: Class of 2023 lucked out

Post by Anonymous User » Sun May 15, 2022 5:31 pm

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Sun May 15, 2022 4:59 pm
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Sun May 15, 2022 4:36 pm
I know 1/0Ls who chose H & (mostly) S over Y because of all the drama. It's a meaningful divide. Also, Palo Alto/Cambridge are infinitely nicer places to be than New Haven, so it's only a matter of time before Y sinks.
I mean PA and Cambridge have been nicer places to be than New Haven for decades. Until Yale starts losing enough admits that it has to lower admissions standards, it's not going to sink. (Doesn't mean it's not a toxic place to be - I have no idea - but I don't think that has much to do with anything.)
Current YLS student. I don't think, in general, it's meaningfully worse than the campus environment at SLS/HLS. Things might look like they're burning down from the outside because the school has a target on its back, but I think all of that is greatly exaggerated. In my experience the community here has been pretty great (and the school still comes with all of the other YLS perks that make the law school experience less terrible).

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