Class of 2023 lucked out Forum

[Anonymous User]

Looking at the large summer classes this summer, it’s pretty clear that the class of 2023 lucked out. Firms were strapped last year and overhired for the 2022 summer programs. Most firms are very reluctant to no-offer anyone (just don’t give them a reason), so despite the over-hiring, summer associates can expect to have jobs come the fall of 2023. Barring a sudden change in the economy, class of 2024 will not find the hiring market nearly as favorable.

[Anonymous User]

As a 1L with a SA, do you think i will be fine from any potential reduction in class size for 2l summer positions?

[existentialcrisis]

Great use of anon.

[Anonymous User]

[Anonymous User]

If the economy tanks they'll be screwed. At least classes of 20/21 got some work experience.

[Anonymous User]

Looking at the large summer classes this summer, it’s pretty clear that the class of 2023 lucked out. Firms were strapped last year and overhired for the 2022 summer programs. Most firms are very reluctant to no-offer anyone (just don’t give them a reason), so despite the over-hiring, summer associates can expect to have jobs come the fall of 2023. Barring a sudden change in the economy, class of 2024 will not find the hiring market nearly as favorable.

Are we actually that confident that the class of 2023 will get offers? The over-hiring almost seems like a setup for no-offers

[Pneumonia]

Honest questions whether OP is satire and responders so far have been wooooshed? Read the first sentence of the post three times and tell me I'm wrong? And then the last sentence, which assumes that the "sudden change in the economy" would be toward growth rather than crash? What?

[Anonymous User]

This is a troll thread so I don't care about derailing.

Class of '22 had the worst law school experience ever and I'll die on this useless hill:
-1L switches to online midway into Spring and we're told we're P/F like 3 weeks before finals
-lol at getting anything 1L summer unless you murdered it last fall
-2L fall grades suddenly matter since OCI is pushed to January
-none of the OCI or summer associate wine and dine, just burned retinas from influencer lights between interviews and awkward as fuck Zoom SA events
-3LOL is masked
-now graduate and take the bar and show up in office

[legalpotato]

This is a troll thread so I don't care about derailing.

Class of '22 had the worst law school experience ever and I'll die on this useless hill:
-1L switches to online midway into Spring and we're told we're P/F like 3 weeks before finals
-lol at getting anything 1L summer unless you murdered it last fall
-2L fall grades suddenly matter since OCI is pushed to January
-none of the OCI or summer associate wine and dine, just burned retinas from influencer lights between interviews and awkward as fuck Zoom SA events
-3LOL is masked
-now graduate and take the bar and show up in office

LOL @ being forced to attend zoom sa events, sounds awful.

I thought a lot of the firms just reduced their summer program to like 2 weeks but still paid SAs for the full 3 months?

[Anonymous User]

This is a troll thread so I don't care about derailing.

Class of '22 had the worst law school experience ever and I'll die on this useless hill:
-1L switches to online midway into Spring and we're told we're P/F like 3 weeks before finals
-lol at getting anything 1L summer unless you murdered it last fall
-2L fall grades suddenly matter since OCI is pushed to January
-none of the OCI or summer associate wine and dine, just burned retinas from influencer lights between interviews and awkward as fuck Zoom SA events
-3LOL is masked
-now graduate and take the bar and show up in office

LOL @ being forced to attend zoom sa events, sounds awful.

I thought a lot of the firms just reduced their summer program to like 2 weeks but still paid SAs for the full 3 months?

That was summer 20 (class of 21). Summer 21 was full but remote or hybrid.

[Anonymous User]

This is a troll thread so I don't care about derailing.

Class of '22 had the worst law school experience ever and I'll die on this useless hill:
-1L switches to online midway into Spring and we're told we're P/F like 3 weeks before finals
-lol at getting anything 1L summer unless you murdered it last fall
-2L fall grades suddenly matter since OCI is pushed to January
-none of the OCI or summer associate wine and dine, just burned retinas from influencer lights between interviews and awkward as fuck Zoom SA events
-3LOL is masked
-now graduate and take the bar and show up in office

LOL @ being forced to attend zoom sa events, sounds awful.

I thought a lot of the firms just reduced their summer program to like 2 weeks but still paid SAs for the full 3 months?

That was summer 20 (class of 21). Summer 21 was full but remote or hybrid.

Yeah, the majority of '22 SA positions were fully remote unless the office was in TX, DE, etc., or unless you happened to just live closeby the office because a ton of associates/partners were already over it.

Class of '21 bitched a lot about the bar, but they're the ones that got paid in full for 2-3 weeks of watching videos. Unless they got stiffed by S&C of course.

'21 S&C summers got the most fucked of any SA class in history imo

[Anonymous User]

This is a troll thread so I don't care about derailing.

Class of '22 had the worst law school experience ever and I'll die on this useless hill:
-1L switches to online midway into Spring and we're told we're P/F like 3 weeks before finals
-lol at getting anything 1L summer unless you murdered it last fall
-2L fall grades suddenly matter since OCI is pushed to January
-none of the OCI or summer associate wine and dine, just burned retinas from influencer lights between interviews and awkward as fuck Zoom SA events
-3LOL is masked
-now graduate and take the bar and show up in office

at least y'all got a full 3LOL. class of '21 only hard partial 3LOL. but you'll all be able to make up for it during summer as first years

[Anonymous User]

This is a troll thread so I don't care about derailing.

Class of '22 had the worst law school experience ever and I'll die on this useless hill:
-1L switches to online midway into Spring and we're told we're P/F like 3 weeks before finals
-lol at getting anything 1L summer unless you murdered it last fall
-2L fall grades suddenly matter since OCI is pushed to January
-none of the OCI or summer associate wine and dine, just burned retinas from influencer lights between interviews and awkward as fuck Zoom SA events
-3LOL is masked
-now graduate and take the bar and show up in office

To be fair, 2L Fall grades boosted my GPA by > 0.2 due to relaxed curves for upperlevel classes. Got into firms that probably wouldn't have given me a second look as a result of the pandemic.

[Anonymous User]

@the above two anons

-the curve response is , but we still had to try like 1Ls for another semester
-boohoo about missing 3LOL when classes were online. We were all required to physically attend classes in 3L with masks which I'd argue is objectively worse than 3LOLing with your camera off

[Anonymous User]

@the above two anons

-the curve response is , but we still had to try like 1Ls for another semester
-boohoo about missing 3LOL when classes were online. We were all required to physically attend classes in 3L with masks which I'd argue is objectively worse than 3LOLing with your camera off

Class of 21 here, 3LOLd with camera off. Fully agree you guys have it worse, experience wise. I did sorta miss half of law school but law school sucks so no loss.

[Anonymous User]

@the above two anons

-the curve response is , but we still had to try like 1Ls for another semester
-boohoo about missing 3LOL when classes were online. We were all required to physically attend classes in 3L with masks which I'd argue is objectively worse than 3LOLing with your camera off

You got to have social events, see your friends, and have an actual graduation. Your other points are fair, but this 3L point is dumb lmao

[Sackboy]

Great use of anon.

[Anonymous User]

@the above two anons

-the curve response is , but we still had to try like 1Ls for another semester
-boohoo about missing 3LOL when classes were online. We were all required to physically attend classes in 3L with masks which I'd argue is objectively worse than 3LOLing with your camera off

You got to have social events, see your friends, and have an actual graduation. Your other points are fair, but this 3L point is dumb lmao

‘21 and ‘22 both had awful experiences in different ways. I remember ‘20 complaining a ton about missed graduations etc., but in hindsight they fared by far the best out of all of Covid classes, only missing a couple of months and getting to skip a semester of grades.

[Res Ipsa Loquitter]

Looking at the large summer classes this summer, it’s pretty clear that the class of 2023 lucked out. Firms were strapped last year and overhired for the 2022 summer programs. Most firms are very reluctant to no-offer anyone (just don’t give them a reason), so despite the over-hiring, summer associates can expect to have jobs come the fall of 2023. Barring a sudden change in the economy, class of 2024 will not find the hiring market nearly as favorable.

Are we actually that confident that the class of 2023 will get offers? The over-hiring almost seems like a setup for no-offers

They will get offers, but a lot will be fired after their first full calendar year of work if there’s a downturn.

[Anonymous User]

This is a troll thread so I don't care about derailing.

Class of '22 had the worst law school experience ever and I'll die on this useless hill:
-1L switches to online midway into Spring and we're told we're P/F like 3 weeks before finals
-lol at getting anything 1L summer unless you murdered it last fall
-2L fall grades suddenly matter since OCI is pushed to January
-none of the OCI or summer associate wine and dine, just burned retinas from influencer lights between interviews and awkward as fuck Zoom SA events
-3LOL is masked
-now graduate and take the bar and show up in office

LOL @ being forced to attend zoom sa events, sounds awful.

I thought a lot of the firms just reduced their summer program to like 2 weeks but still paid SAs for the full 3 months?

That was summer 20 (class of 21). Summer 21 was full but remote or hybrid.

Yeah, the majority of '22 SA positions were fully remote unless the office was in TX, DE, etc., or unless you happened to just live closeby the office because a ton of associates/partners were already over it.

Class of '21 bitched a lot about the bar, but they're the ones that got paid in full for 2-3 weeks of watching videos. Unless they got stiffed by S&C of course.

'21 S&C summers got the most fucked of any SA class in history imo

Correction - S&C made it up to ‘21 by forgiving the $10,000 salary advance paid when they were summers, so effectively the summers got fully paid with no program at all.

[Anonymous User]

Correction - S&C made it up to ‘21 by forgiving the $10,000 salary advance paid when they were summers, so effectively the summers got fully paid with no program at all.

How so? '21 SAs who were at full-paying, market firms received ~$37K that summer. It sounds like '21 SAs at SullCrom got a $19K stipend + $10K advance (later forgiven) = $29K.

So that was a $7-8K shortfall that summer,** not "fully paid" as you claimed. Methinks if SullCrom associates today were paid $8K below Cravath scale each year, they would be justifiably pissed off.

** In addition to paying its SAs below market, I also heard that the communication from S&C over the course of Spring 2020 was incredibly unhelpful and unprofessional.

[Anonymous User]

This is a troll thread so I don't care about derailing.

Class of '22 had the worst law school experience ever and I'll die on this useless hill:
-1L switches to online midway into Spring and we're told we're P/F like 3 weeks before finals
-lol at getting anything 1L summer unless you murdered it last fall
-2L fall grades suddenly matter since OCI is pushed to January
-none of the OCI or summer associate wine and dine, just burned retinas from influencer lights between interviews and awkward as fuck Zoom SA events
-3LOL is masked
-now graduate and take the bar and show up in office

And don't forget that the loan payment pause is probably y going to end literally right when we are expected to repay. Fuckin sucks.

[Anonymous User]

@the above two anons

-the curve response is , but we still had to try like 1Ls for another semester
-boohoo about missing 3LOL when classes were online. We were all required to physically attend classes in 3L with masks which I'd argue is objectively worse than 3LOLing with your camera off

You got to have social events, see your friends, and have an actual graduation. Your other points are fair, but this 3L point is dumb lmao

School social events didn't happen at my law school, and private social events also kind didn't happen due to threatening emails from admin.

[Anonymous User]

Correction - S&C made it up to ‘21 by forgiving the $10,000 salary advance paid when they were summers, so effectively the summers got fully paid with no program at all.

How so? '21 SAs who were at full-paying, market firms received ~$37K that summer. It sounds like '21 SAs at SullCrom got a $19K stipend + $10K advance (later forgiven) = $29K.

So that was a $7-8K shortfall that summer,** not "fully paid" as you claimed. Methinks if SullCrom associates today were paid $8K below Cravath scale each year, they would be justifiably pissed off.

** In addition to paying its SAs below market, I also heard that the communication from S&C over the course of Spring 2020 was incredibly unhelpful and unprofessional.

I'm not sullcrom, but $29k for two weeks of work is sick.

[Anonymous User]

Yeah, the majority of '22 SA positions were fully remote unless the office was in TX, DE, etc., or unless you happened to just live closeby the office because a ton of associates/partners were already over it.

Class of '21 bitched a lot about the bar, but they're the ones that got paid in full for 2-3 weeks of watching videos. Unless they got stiffed by S&C of course.

'21 S&C summers got the most fucked of any SA class in history imo

What happened to '21 S&C summers?