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It's really unlikely. Just try to do a good job this summer.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 8:42 pm2L (rising 3L) with an SA at a v100 firm. Dropped from top 20% to top 33% at a T30. I didn't slack off: it was just the combination of too many doctrinal exams + extracurriculars. Am I going to get no-offered or cold-offered over this?
What are the exceptions?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:37 amDon't worry about it. No one will worry about the slip. As others have noted, your attitude and work-product during the summer is more important. That being said, almost everyone gets an offer (few exceptions but those involve serious issues).
Getting so drunk at a firm event, you wander into a private bedroom at a partner's house and vomit in their bed. Things like that.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:42 amWhat are the exceptions?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:37 amDon't worry about it. No one will worry about the slip. As others have noted, your attitude and work-product during the summer is more important. That being said, almost everyone gets an offer (few exceptions but those involve serious issues).
Never turning work in on time without any heads up to anyone, getting drunk at events and hitting on (or just plain hitting) people, that kind of thing. Like *serious* issues. (Scooped.)Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:42 amWhat are the exceptions?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:37 amDon't worry about it. No one will worry about the slip. As others have noted, your attitude and work-product during the summer is more important. That being said, almost everyone gets an offer (few exceptions but those involve serious issues).
OP here. I’m spooked by the market and the apparent over-hiring for my class year. Should I be concerned with my extent of grade drop? I’m still solidly above median, and I wasn’t top 5% (or top 10%, or top 15%) when I was hired, but it’s still a drop.nealric wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 1:01 pmGenerally, only egregious grade drops are use as reasons to drop an offer. If you were top 5% and suddenly became a sub-median student, they might be concerned.
The extent to which firms might focus on grades may depend on the economy. If you have a situation like the summer associate class of 2007 (which was massive), followed by an absolutely epic downturn, firms are going to be looking for excuses left and right to cull incoming associates without having to resort to across the board culling. But if you have an environment like 2021 where firms were desperate for warm bodies, they would probably be willing to overlook just about anything short of outright flunking out.
Either way, people's impressions of your work this summer will be FAR more important than any minor grade fluctuation. The people you work with this summer will have no idea what your grades are, and the reviews of your work that they write will be a lot more important than anything else in deciding who gets an offer.
No. Don't be concerned. Stop worrying about this. You're fine.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 9:11 pmOP here. I’m spooked by the market and the apparent over-hiring for my class year. Should I be concerned with my extent of grade drop? I’m still solidly above median, and I wasn’t top 5% (or top 10%, or top 15%) when I was hired, but it’s still a drop.nealric wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 1:01 pmGenerally, only egregious grade drops are use as reasons to drop an offer. If you were top 5% and suddenly became a sub-median student, they might be concerned.
The extent to which firms might focus on grades may depend on the economy. If you have a situation like the summer associate class of 2007 (which was massive), followed by an absolutely epic downturn, firms are going to be looking for excuses left and right to cull incoming associates without having to resort to across the board culling. But if you have an environment like 2021 where firms were desperate for warm bodies, they would probably be willing to overlook just about anything short of outright flunking out.
Either way, people's impressions of your work this summer will be FAR more important than any minor grade fluctuation. The people you work with this summer will have no idea what your grades are, and the reviews of your work that they write will be a lot more important than anything else in deciding who gets an offer.
Of course, I’m hoping that spring grades will turn out better than fall, but I’m not sure at this point.
Even in 2009, I didn't see people getting no-offered over that sort of grade drop. Your summer performance is what matters unless you totally tank 3L year or something (like straight Cs).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 9:11 pmOP here. I’m spooked by the market and the apparent over-hiring for my class year. Should I be concerned with my extent of grade drop? I’m still solidly above median, and I wasn’t top 5% (or top 10%, or top 15%) when I was hired, but it’s still a drop.nealric wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 1:01 pmGenerally, only egregious grade drops are use as reasons to drop an offer. If you were top 5% and suddenly became a sub-median student, they might be concerned.
The extent to which firms might focus on grades may depend on the economy. If you have a situation like the summer associate class of 2007 (which was massive), followed by an absolutely epic downturn, firms are going to be looking for excuses left and right to cull incoming associates without having to resort to across the board culling. But if you have an environment like 2021 where firms were desperate for warm bodies, they would probably be willing to overlook just about anything short of outright flunking out.
Either way, people's impressions of your work this summer will be FAR more important than any minor grade fluctuation. The people you work with this summer will have no idea what your grades are, and the reviews of your work that they write will be a lot more important than anything else in deciding who gets an offer.
Of course, I’m hoping that spring grades will turn out better than fall, but I’m not sure at this point.