Summer Classes of 2022 Edition Forum

[Keebs]

PW

NY (97)
Columbia (15)
NYU (13)
Harvard (12)
Toronto (4 + 3 NY/TO)
Penn (6)
Howard (5)
Northwestern (5)
Fordham (4)
Georgetown (3 + 1 NY/London)
Cardozo (3)
Michigan (3)
Brooklyn (2)
Cornell (2)
Hofstra (2)
UVA (2)
BC
BU
Chicago
CUNY
GW
Rutgers
Stanford (NY/SF)
UCLA
Vandy
W&L
WashU
Yale

SF (9)
Berkeley (3)
Stanford (2)
Columbia
Duke
UC Hastings
UVA

only one chicago....

Seemed like S&C and STB were more popular for (the limited number of) 2L's headed to NYC. Also a few going to each of WLRK and Cravath.

I am the one Chicago kid going to PW NYC, but there is another going to the DC office. I think they just interviewed later than most other firms so people just took the offers they had. For example, S&C was super popular this year and they were handing out offers at least 3 weeks before PW even did callbacks.

[Anonymous User]

Is Paul, Weiss litigation better than Wachtell, Lipton?

Does PW pay first years $400K? Answer: no.

[Anonymous User]

Is Paul, Weiss litigation better than Wachtell, Lipton?

Does PW pay first years $400K? Answer: no.

Have we ever seen hard evidence that WLRK pays first years $400k? And since all their litigation associates do clerkships, do they even have "first year" litigators?

[Anonymous User]

Yo can we stop with the weird tangents in a thread with useful information? Just go over to the salary thread, that's already beyond repair.

[Anonymous User]

GDC DC has 48 summers (including a couple 1L summers and a couple splitting offices).

Yale: 6
Stanford: 3
Chicago: 3
Columbia: 2
Harvard: 5
Penn: 5
NYU: 2
Virginia: 9
Michigan: 2
Duke: 3
Georgetown: 5
Vanderbilt: 2
GW: 1
W&L: 1
American: 1

Harvard at #5 with 5 Interns baby!

Lol it’s not #5, the person who shared didn’t arrange the list by number of students. Looks like they did it by USNews rank? Which is quite an eye roll.

Here’s GDC DC ordered by number of students:

Virginia: 9
Yale: 6
Harvard/Penn/Georgetown: 5
Stanford/Chicago/Duke: 3
Columbia/NYU/Mich/Vandy: 2
GW/W&L/American: 1

[Anonymous User]

Is Paul, Weiss litigation better than Wachtell, Lipton?

Does PW pay first years $400K? Answer: no.

Have we ever seen hard evidence that WLRK pays first years $400k? And since all their litigation associates do clerkships, do they even have "first year" litigators?

Lol hard evidence, okay. And as to your second point, aren't you just further substantiating my Wachtell > PW claim?

[Keebs]

PW

NY (97)
Columbia (15)
NYU (13)
Harvard (12)
Toronto (4 + 3 NY/TO)
Penn (6)
Howard (5)
Northwestern (5)
Fordham (4)
Georgetown (3 + 1 NY/London)
Cardozo (3)
Michigan (3)
Brooklyn (2)
Cornell (2)
Hofstra (2)
UVA (2)
BC
BU
Chicago
CUNY
GW
Rutgers
Stanford (NY/SF)
UCLA
Vandy
W&L
WashU
Yale

SF (9)
Berkeley (3)
Stanford (2)
Columbia
Duke
UC Hastings
UVA

only one chicago....

I'm the Chicago kid going to PW, but there is another going to the DC office. Only three went last year, one of whom was EIC of the L. Rev. I think the number is low only because PW did callbacks so late, like around 3 weeks after many had 1 or more offers, so I presume others just took what they had since PW isn't so substantially superior to S&C or the others that handed out offers weeks earlier such that they would want to drag out their OCI experience.

[Anonymous User]

Is Paul, Weiss litigation better than Wachtell, Lipton?

Does PW pay first years $400K? Answer: no.

Have we ever seen hard evidence that WLRK pays first years $400k? And since all their litigation associates do clerkships, do they even have "first year" litigators?

Lol hard evidence, okay. And as to your second point, aren't you just further substantiating my Wachtell > PW claim?

You asserted that WLRK is better than PW because WLRK pays its first years $400k, while having no evidence that WLRK pays its first years $400K. Such a waste of time tangent, not only irrelevant to the OP but also irrelevant to which firm is better at litigation. "Lol okay" then, dude.

[Anonymous User]

Is Paul, Weiss litigation better than Wachtell, Lipton?

Does PW pay first years $400K? Answer: no.

Have we ever seen hard evidence that WLRK pays first years $400k? And since all their litigation associates do clerkships, do they even have "first year" litigators?

Lol hard evidence, okay. And as to your second point, aren't you just further substantiating my Wachtell > PW claim?

You asserted that WLRK is better than PW because WLRK pays its first years $400k, while having no evidence that WLRK pays its first years $400K. Such a waste of time tangent, not only irrelevant to the OP but also irrelevant to which firm is better at litigation. "Lol okay" then, dude.

IIRC, it's a pretty well known fact that WLRK often comes in at double Cravath after bonus. Unsure why you're arguing this point.

[Anonymous User]

Is Paul, Weiss litigation better than Wachtell, Lipton?

Does PW pay first years $400K? Answer: no.

Have we ever seen hard evidence that WLRK pays first years $400k? And since all their litigation associates do clerkships, do they even have "first year" litigators?

Lol hard evidence, okay. And as to your second point, aren't you just further substantiating my Wachtell > PW claim?

You asserted that WLRK is better than PW because WLRK pays its first years $400k, while having no evidence that WLRK pays its first years $400K. Such a waste of time tangent, not only irrelevant to the OP but also irrelevant to which firm is better at litigation. "Lol okay" then, dude.

IIRC, it's a pretty well known fact that WLRK often comes in at double Cravath after bonus. Unsure why you're arguing this point.

People repeat nonsense on this website all the time. Double Cravath now would be over $450K, and again, there's no evidence WLRK pays that. Do we all know they pay above market? Yes. But no clue if it's really double the biglaw market rate.

[Anonymous User]

Is Paul, Weiss litigation better than Wachtell, Lipton?

Does PW pay first years $400K? Answer: no.

Have we ever seen hard evidence that WLRK pays first years $400k? And since all their litigation associates do clerkships, do they even have "first year" litigators?

Lol hard evidence, okay. And as to your second point, aren't you just further substantiating my Wachtell > PW claim?

You asserted that WLRK is better than PW because WLRK pays its first years $400k, while having no evidence that WLRK pays its first years $400K. Such a waste of time tangent, not only irrelevant to the OP but also irrelevant to which firm is better at litigation. "Lol okay" then, dude.

IIRC, it's a pretty well known fact that WLRK often comes in at double Cravath after bonus. Unsure why you're arguing this point.

People repeat nonsense on this website all the time. Double Cravath now would now be over $450K, and again, there's no evidence WLRK pays that. Do we all know they pay above market? Yes. But no clue if it's really double the biglaw market rate.

Lol okay buddy. viewtopic.php?f=23&t=311806&start=25

100% base in bonus floated by recruiters earlier this year. As it's always been since the bonus percentage was confirmed back in '08. No reason to think anythings changed. Contention over this point was truly a wasteful tangent.

[Anonymous User]

Does PW pay first years $400K? Answer: no.

Have we ever seen hard evidence that WLRK pays first years $400k? And since all their litigation associates do clerkships, do they even have "first year" litigators?

Lol hard evidence, okay. And as to your second point, aren't you just further substantiating my Wachtell > PW claim?

You asserted that WLRK is better than PW because WLRK pays its first years $400k, while having no evidence that WLRK pays its first years $400K. Such a waste of time tangent, not only irrelevant to the OP but also irrelevant to which firm is better at litigation. "Lol okay" then, dude.

IIRC, it's a pretty well known fact that WLRK often comes in at double Cravath after bonus. Unsure why you're arguing this point.

People repeat nonsense on this website all the time. Double Cravath now would now be over $450K, and again, there's no evidence WLRK pays that. Do we all know they pay above market? Yes. But no clue if it's really double the biglaw market rate.

Lol okay buddy. viewtopic.php?f=23&t=311806&start=25

100% base in bonus floated by recruiters earlier this year. As it's always been since the bonus percentage was confirmed back in '08. No reason to think anythings changed. Contention over this point was truly a wasteful tangent.

You got me with your clever link! It was "confirmed" by an anon who did a "recruiting call" with a recruiter that doesn't work for WLRK

[Anonymous User]

Is Paul, Weiss litigation better than Wachtell, Lipton?

Does PW pay first years $400K? Answer: no.

Have we ever seen hard evidence that WLRK pays first years $400k? And since all their litigation associates do clerkships, do they even have "first year" litigators?

Lol hard evidence, okay. And as to your second point, aren't you just further substantiating my Wachtell > PW claim?

You asserted that WLRK is better than PW because WLRK pays its first years $400k, while having no evidence that WLRK pays its first years $400K. Such a waste of time tangent, not only irrelevant to the OP but also irrelevant to which firm is better at litigation. "Lol okay" then, dude.

Everyone knows that Wachtell does 2x base. What kind of evidence would convince you? Should we get Marty Lipton on the phone?

[Anonymous User]

Is Paul, Weiss litigation better than Wachtell, Lipton?

Does PW pay first years $400K? Answer: no.

Have we ever seen hard evidence that WLRK pays first years $400k? And since all their litigation associates do clerkships, do they even have "first year" litigators?

Lol hard evidence, okay. And as to your second point, aren't you just further substantiating my Wachtell > PW claim?

You asserted that WLRK is better than PW because WLRK pays its first years $400k, while having no evidence that WLRK pays its first years $400K. Such a waste of time tangent, not only irrelevant to the OP but also irrelevant to which firm is better at litigation. "Lol okay" then, dude.

Everyone knows that Wachtell does 2x base. What kind of evidence would convince you? Should we get Marty Lipton on the phone?

At one point "Everyone knew" that women couldn't be astronauts and minorities couldn't be doctors. Before that, "everyone knew" the earth was flat and monarchical power was God-given. Again, in the absence of any hard evidence of any kind, we can just agree that WLRK pays above market, and then folks can stop trolling the board with the "2x base" meme.

[Anonymous User]

At one point "Everyone knew" that women couldn't be astronauts and minorities couldn't be doctors. Before that, "everyone knew" the earth was flat and monarchical power was God-given. Again, in the absence of any hard evidence of any kind, we can just agree that WLRK pays above market, and then folks can stop trolling the board with the "2x base" meme.

I Know many WLRK associates. The associates make at least 2x base. Stop with this stupid unrelated tangent.

Before the next question - yes some associates bill over 3000 hours, but block billing the entire day is pretty common so there is a good bit of inflation. They still work incredibly hard and bill much more so than other firms.

[Anonymous User]

Skadden NYC: 137
[Includes 1Ls and 2Ls]

Harvard (21)
Columbia (17)
NYU (11)
UPenn (11)
Stanford (9)
Fordham (9)
Georgetown (8)
UVA (8)
Cornell (4)
Yale (3)
Cardozo (3)
Northwestern (3)
Duke (3)
Brooklyn Law School (3)
Chicago (3)
University of Michigan (3)
Vanderbilt (3)
Queen’s University (2)
Rutgers (2)
UC Berkeley (2)
University of Toronto (2)
Emory (1)
Howard (1)
Pace (1)
University of Iowa (1)
Villanova (1)
University of North Carolina (1)
Washington University (1)

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

At one point "Everyone knew" that women couldn't be astronauts and minorities couldn't be doctors. Before that, "everyone knew" the earth was flat and monarchical power was God-given. Again, in the absence of any hard evidence of any kind, we can just agree that WLRK pays above market, and then folks can stop trolling the board with the "2x base" meme.

In any context it would be a little strange to confidently reject the validity of something stated over and over again for a period of years by many different people who claimed to know and had no reason to lie. But what makes this post truly *bizarre* is the insistence of "hard evidence" to prove something that by definition only happens to a small number of people and compares it to old stereotypes empirically disprovable with a counterexample.

It's like me saying "My friend Tony gets furious when the Knicks lose" and then everyone who knows Tony chimes in and agrees that they have heard Tony is a hothead and you go "I don't have any evidence of Tony's anger. I think we can agree Tony is a basketball fan, but until someone provides me with a video of him steaming, we can just agree that Tony is a basketball fan and you can stop trolling me with the Tony-gets-angry meme."

[Anonymous User]

I’m mainly a lurker but I have followed the TLS summer class posts for a couple years running, and I can’t remember a prior one ever being derailed in so spectacular a fashion (and so early in the game). Is this “hard evidence” that TLS is growing more ever more TLS-y over time?

Anyways, I don’t think this conflict will be resolved — short of a WLRK associate posting their paystubs (which anon will claim are doctored…?) — so let’s all get back to posting summer classes, shall we?

[Anonymous User]

Sidley DC: 32 summer associates

Georgetown: 11
Yale: 5
UVA: 4
Harvard: 3
Vanderbilt: 3
GW: 2
Maryland: 1
BYU: 1
Duke: 1
Berkeley: 1

[Anonymous User]

Quinn Emanuel (58, includes 2Ls and 1Ls)

Austin
Harvard

Boston
Harvard (2)
BC
Columbia

Chicago
UChicago

Houston
Michigan (2)
Harvard
UVA

Los Angeles
Harvard (2)
USC (2)
UCLA
Berkeley
UChicago

New York
NYU (7)
Harvard (6)
Columbia (6)
UPenn (4)
Berkeley (2)
Georgetown
Fordham
UChicago

San Francisco
UVA
UCLA

Silicon Valley
Berkeley
Harvard
Stanford
UChicago

D.C.
Georgetown (2)
Yale
UPenn
Harvard
WashU
Michigan

[BrowsingTLS]

The real question is how are there no WLRK associates on TLS to settle the compensation issue? If I were at WLRK, I would only bill 2,999hrs/year, so that I have at least one hour to spend flexing my $400K starting salary on TLS posters.

A WLRK summer should post their starting class, to keep things relevant, and let us know if you're making $3,700 x 2 per week.

[Anonymous User]

The real question is how are there no WLRK associates on TLS to settle the compensation issue? If I were at WLRK, I would only bill 2,999hrs/year, so that I have at least one hour to spend flexing my $400K starting salary on TLS posters.

A WLRK summer should post their starting class, to keep things relevant, and let us know if you're making $3,700 x 2 per week.

I think this is the more interesting question: are summers also making twice as much or are they only paid the base prorated?

[Anonymous User]

The real question is how are there no WLRK associates on TLS to settle the compensation issue? If I were at WLRK, I would only bill 2,999hrs/year, so that I have at least one hour to spend flexing my $400K starting salary on TLS posters.

A WLRK summer should post their starting class, to keep things relevant, and let us know if you're making $3,700 x 2 per week.

I think this is the more interesting question: are summers also making twice as much or are they only paid the base prorated?

They only get the base salary and work quite a lot for it too. It's not a chill summer.

[Anonymous User]

The real question is how are there no WLRK associates on TLS to settle the compensation issue? If I were at WLRK, I would only bill 2,999hrs/year, so that I have at least one hour to spend flexing my $400K starting salary on TLS posters.

A WLRK summer should post their starting class, to keep things relevant, and let us know if you're making $3,700 x 2 per week.

I think this is the more interesting question: are summers also making twice as much or are they only paid the base prorated?

They only get the base salary and work quite a lot for it too. It's not a chill summer.

Do you know this from experience? It didn't seem like I was working much less than a friend who was summering at Wachtell when I was at another NY V10, and I was billing fewer than 20 hours/week.

[Anonymous User]

The real question is how are there no WLRK associates on TLS to settle the compensation issue? If I were at WLRK, I would only bill 2,999hrs/year, so that I have at least one hour to spend flexing my $400K starting salary on TLS posters.

A WLRK summer should post their starting class, to keep things relevant, and let us know if you're making $3,700 x 2 per week.

I think this is the more interesting question: are summers also making twice as much or are they only paid the base prorated?

They only get the base salary and work quite a lot for it too. It's not a chill summer.

This is what a recent summer told me as well. And the summer wasn't even in corp.