High hours pissing contest 2022
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:43 pm
On track for 2750. What about you?
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Notwithstanding the mathematical impossibility, what kind of multiple will 9000 hours bring at your firm?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:03 pmI'm actually planning on billing over 9000 hours this year.
1. TerminationAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:35 pmNotwithstanding the mathematical impossibility, what kind of multiple will 9000 hours bring at your firm?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:03 pmI'm actually planning on billing over 9000 hours this year.
6. Death. The best multiple of all.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:45 am1. TerminationAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:35 pmNotwithstanding the mathematical impossibility, what kind of multiple will 9000 hours bring at your firm?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:03 pmI'm actually planning on billing over 9000 hours this year.
2. No Bonus
3. Bar referral
4. Rebates by the firm to all clients for billing fraud.
5. But hey, at Kirkland these days might get you up to 1.3x.
What?! Nine thousand!?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:03 pmI'm actually planning on billing over 9000 hours this year.
Lol at the chuckleheads ITT who don't get the jokeAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:03 pmI'm actually planning on billing over 9000 hours this year.
Even if you don't get the reference, on it's face it is obviously not serious. But the response about the 1.3 at Kirkland & Ellis was funny.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:34 pm[*]Lol at the chuckleheads ITT who don't get the jokeAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:03 pmI'm actually planning on billing over 9000 hours this year.
Gotta imagine there have been arrangements where a client paid for 100% of time on offsite work, and so effectively you had lawyers "billing" 24/7.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:50 pmApparently there's 8760 hours in a year. I'm morbidly curious what's the most anyone has ever billed, anywhere? Seems 5000 hours (100/week; 14/day) is at least technically possible by some nutty workaholic who barely sleeps.
Oooh that's right, back when ppl traveled and billed for all the time away from home. Back when where was such a thing as home separated from work.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:56 pmGotta imagine there have been arrangements where a client paid for 100% of time on offsite work, and so effectively you had lawyers "billing" 24/7.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:50 pmApparently there's 8760 hours in a year. I'm morbidly curious what's the most anyone has ever billed, anywhere? Seems 5000 hours (100/week; 14/day) is at least technically possible by some nutty workaholic who barely sleeps.
Doesn’t seem possible. Inefficiencies at work mean you’d be working at least 15 hours a day. That means there is one other hour in the day to do everything else if you get a full nights sleep (which you would need to work that much every day). Not to mention that work flow is lumpy, so you’d need very long stretches of billing 20+ a day. Needless to say I don’t believe anyone has billed 5k or really even close. Legitimate hours billed is likely somewhere in the 3s.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:50 pmApparently there's 8760 hours in a year. I'm morbidly curious what's the most anyone has ever billed, anywhere? Seems 5000 hours (100/week; 14/day) is at least technically possible by some nutty workaholic who barely sleeps.
Sure, if you aren’t working all the hours you bill, then 8760 or even higher seems possible.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:12 pmOooh that's right, back when ppl traveled and billed for all the time away from home. Back when where was such a thing as home separated from work.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:56 pmGotta imagine there have been arrangements where a client paid for 100% of time on offsite work, and so effectively you had lawyers "billing" 24/7.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:50 pmApparently there's 8760 hours in a year. I'm morbidly curious what's the most anyone has ever billed, anywhere? Seems 5000 hours (100/week; 14/day) is at least technically possible by some nutty workaholic who barely sleeps.
The premise was not getting a full night's sleep.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:26 pmDoesn’t seem possible. Inefficiencies at work mean you’d be working at least 15 hours a day. That means there is one other hour in the day to do everything else if you get a full nights sleep (which you would need to work that much every day). Not to mention that work flow is lumpy, so you’d need very long stretches of billing 20+ a day. Needless to say I don’t believe anyone has billed 5k or really even close. Legitimate hours billed is likely somewhere in the 3s.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:50 pmApparently there's 8760 hours in a year. I'm morbidly curious what's the most anyone has ever billed, anywhere? Seems 5000 hours (100/week; 14/day) is at least technically possible by some nutty workaholic who barely sleeps.
You're not wrong.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:03 amI'm honestly shocked by these poll numbers. Maybe it is a selfselecting group, but I always thought it was pain and more pain with 2300 hours on average. It's the prime reason I haven't lateralled from my current firm 1,800 hours, as I figured I hit the absolute jackpot with my hours (want to lateral as I really don't like my practice area and dislike the city).
Definitely self-selecting to the extent that the folks billing 2800 aren't likely to be posting here as much as folks annualizing 1800. But it may also be some foresight bias, if that's a thing? Like, I'm annualizing around 2300-2400 right now, but I haven't taken a vacation yet this year, been working harder than usual on weekends and holidays, etc. I don't expect that to continue all year and I do intend to take a couple of vacations, in addition to relaxing a bit once I hit my hours target. So will I end up at 2300? Yeah, maybe, if things keep going as hard as they've been, but I don't think they will. Let's chat in 8 months!stickershocked wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:14 amYou're not wrong.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:03 amI'm honestly shocked by these poll numbers. Maybe it is a selfselecting group, but I always thought it was pain and more pain with 2300 hours on average. It's the prime reason I haven't lateralled from my current firm 1,800 hours, as I figured I hit the absolute jackpot with my hours (want to lateral as I really don't like my practice area and dislike the city).
god I would love to work at a firm where it literally does not even occur to some associates that people work a 15 hour day on less than 7 hours of sleepAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:26 pmDoesn’t seem possible. Inefficiencies at work mean you’d be working at least 15 hours a day. That means there is one other hour in the day to do everything else if you get a full nights sleep (which you would need to work that much every day). Not to mention that work flow is lumpy, so you’d need very long stretches of billing 20+ a day. Needless to say I don’t believe anyone has billed 5k or really even close. Legitimate hours billed is likely somewhere in the 3s.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:50 pmApparently there's 8760 hours in a year. I'm morbidly curious what's the most anyone has ever billed, anywhere? Seems 5000 hours (100/week; 14/day) is at least technically possible by some nutty workaholic who barely sleeps.
Right? Especially with WFH it's not unheard-of for associates to have to pull multiple 15s in a row. Not pleasant, but I've been there multiple times.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:12 pmgod I would love to work at a firm where it literally does not even occur to some associates that people work a 15 hour day on less than 7 hours of sleepAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:26 pmDoesn’t seem possible. Inefficiencies at work mean you’d be working at least 15 hours a day. That means there is one other hour in the day to do everything else if you get a full nights sleep (which you would need to work that much every day). Not to mention that work flow is lumpy, so you’d need very long stretches of billing 20+ a day. Needless to say I don’t believe anyone has billed 5k or really even close. Legitimate hours billed is likely somewhere in the 3s.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:50 pmApparently there's 8760 hours in a year. I'm morbidly curious what's the most anyone has ever billed, anywhere? Seems 5000 hours (100/week; 14/day) is at least technically possible by some nutty workaholic who barely sleeps.
ok then do itAnonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:12 pmgod I would love to work at a firm where it literally does not even occur to some associates that people work a 15 hour day on less than 7 hours of sleepAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:26 pmDoesn’t seem possible. Inefficiencies at work mean you’d be working at least 15 hours a day. That means there is one other hour in the day to do everything else if you get a full nights sleep (which you would need to work that much every day). Not to mention that work flow is lumpy, so you’d need very long stretches of billing 20+ a day. Needless to say I don’t believe anyone has billed 5k or really even close. Legitimate hours billed is likely somewhere in the 3s.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:50 pmApparently there's 8760 hours in a year. I'm morbidly curious what's the most anyone has ever billed, anywhere? Seems 5000 hours (100/week; 14/day) is at least technically possible by some nutty workaholic who barely sleeps.
Because you're working at least 50% more than you should be. The job is fine when you're working 1,800-2,000 hours and generally worth the money. It's not worth double the money at 3k hours.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 11:42 pm2nd year on track for 3,000 but have vacation planned so will cut that down. Already not feeling like the job is worth it.