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Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:36 pmIt's common knowledge that Kirkland RX, especially in Chicago, is a boys club. Make sure you ask around for stories before you join.
Restructuringnoice wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:41 pmAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:36 pmIt's common knowledge that Kirkland RX, especially in Chicago, is a boys club. Make sure you ask around for stories before you join.
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Can someone expand on this?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:36 pmIt's common knowledge that Kirkland RX, especially in Chicago, is a boys club. Make sure you ask around for stories before you join.
Most corporate practice groups (that I’m aware of) have few female equity partners. Men likely outnumber them 8:1 in the ones I’ve seen. I have no knowledge of Kirkland bankruptcy is better or worse than others, but it’s pretty clear way fewer women make equity partners. This is probably true for a variety of reasons of which, sexism is one.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:30 pmCan someone expand on this?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:36 pmIt's common knowledge that Kirkland RX, especially in Chicago, is a boys club. Make sure you ask around for stories before you join.
Isn't Kirkland's RX group in Chicago pretty big? I know women SPs are scarce in any practice group but 1 in Chicago seems pretty low. Also can you expand on the travel? Is there a lot of traveling in RX?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:56 pmDoesn't make a lot of sense to just consider the Chicago BK group in isolation, that group really is Chicago+Ny and, frankly, Chicago BK is way less important than NY BK at this point and the practice is basically run out of NY outside of COVID times with how much the Chicago people travel. Between Chicago and NY three women made SP in restructuring this year, so it's improving.
The Chicago RX group is pretty big, but it's just not where the center of the group is any more in terms of the people at the very top of the group.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:58 pmIsn't Kirkland's RX group in Chicago pretty big? I know women SPs are scarce in any practice group but 1 in Chicago seems pretty low. Also can you expand on the travel? Is there a lot of traveling in RX?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:56 pmDoesn't make a lot of sense to just consider the Chicago BK group in isolation, that group really is Chicago+Ny and, frankly, Chicago BK is way less important than NY BK at this point and the practice is basically run out of NY outside of COVID times with how much the Chicago people travel. Between Chicago and NY three women made SP in restructuring this year, so it's improving.
Yeah, let's hear more stories involving the boys and the lonely female RX partnerAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:30 pmCan someone expand on this?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:36 pmIt's common knowledge that Kirkland RX, especially in Chicago, is a boys club. Make sure you ask around for stories before you join.
I swear. I've networked with at least 8 BK associates from Kirkland RX and NO ONE has mentioned this. Can you tell me what kind of things BK associates would be expected to do while traveling? I guess I'm asking about why it's necessary for them to have to travel. Aren't they juniors doing mostly paperwork? I was told about having to go to TX for BK court. So I'm assuming juniors go to DE for the same reason? Are they actually going in front of a judge? How often? So sorry for the questions but this is so useful.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:07 pmThe Chicago RX group is pretty big, but it's just not where the center of the group is any more in terms of the people at the very top of the group.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:58 pmIsn't Kirkland's RX group in Chicago pretty big? I know women SPs are scarce in any practice group but 1 in Chicago seems pretty low. Also can you expand on the travel? Is there a lot of traveling in RX?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:56 pmDoesn't make a lot of sense to just consider the Chicago BK group in isolation, that group really is Chicago+Ny and, frankly, Chicago BK is way less important than NY BK at this point and the practice is basically run out of NY outside of COVID times with how much the Chicago people travel. Between Chicago and NY three women made SP in restructuring this year, so it's improving.
Chicago people travel constantly outside of COVID times because BK is a very in-person-meeting/negotiation-heavy group, and the overwhelming majority of that discussion happens in NY (because that is where all the FAs are, all of the non-KE BK lawyers are, most of the financial principals are, etc). And when things aren't happening in NY they're normally happening in Delaware, Virginia, or TX.
A bit easier to get to TX from Chicago, but that's the only advantage. Basically no meaningful bankruptcies get filed in Illinois anymore. Occasionally some in-person meetings will happen in Chicago when the business itself/management is more convenient to Chicago than NY, but it's comparatively rare.
Of course, who knows what will happen post-COVID. Unclear how much will remain remote in terms of court hearings. The entire field absolutely believes that remote negotiation/mediation just doesn't get things done as quickly or effectively so it does seem like that will end up coming back to being much more in person. So, as a Chicago BK person, you should definitely be prepared for the fact that you're likely to travel a lot.
I admire that you are already gunning for SP as a 0L - if I had that kind of tenacity I wouldn't be stuck at my deadend KE job.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:30 pmSomeone in another thread pointed this out. If this is incorrect, how many female SPs are in Chicago's RX group?
I'm a female that will be joining their RX practice in Chicago. Kind of concerned.
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One might be worried about lopsided demographics in the partnership for reasons besides wanting to make shares.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:47 amI admire that you are already gunning for SP as a 0L - if I had that kind of tenacity I wouldn't be stuck at my deadend KE job.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 2:30 pmSomeone in another thread pointed this out. If this is incorrect, how many female SPs are in Chicago's RX group?
I'm a female that will be joining their RX practice in Chicago. Kind of concerned.
Edit: changed name of thread
I'm not the person you're responding to, and I'm not in the group either but I am going there (KE CHI) and from my experience in interviewing/networking it appears that most of the travel is what the OP you responded to described - meetings, negotiations, etc. Don't think juniors go into court often (please correct me if I'm wrong). One junior I talked with mentioned they had to travel to meet with co-counsel's junior to sift through a mountain of documents. It appeared to be pretty frequent travel though and mostly from Chicago to New York or Texas as the other poster mentioned, and not the other way around.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:01 amI swear. I've networked with at least 8 BK associates from Kirkland RX and NO ONE has mentioned this. Can you tell me what kind of things BK associates would be expected to do while traveling? I guess I'm asking about why it's necessary for them to have to travel. Aren't they juniors doing mostly paperwork? I was told about having to go to TX for BK court. So I'm assuming juniors go to DE for the same reason? Are they actually going in front of a judge? How often? So sorry for the questions but this is so useful.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:07 pmThe Chicago RX group is pretty big, but it's just not where the center of the group is any more in terms of the people at the very top of the group.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:58 pmIsn't Kirkland's RX group in Chicago pretty big? I know women SPs are scarce in any practice group but 1 in Chicago seems pretty low. Also can you expand on the travel? Is there a lot of traveling in RX?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:56 pmDoesn't make a lot of sense to just consider the Chicago BK group in isolation, that group really is Chicago+Ny and, frankly, Chicago BK is way less important than NY BK at this point and the practice is basically run out of NY outside of COVID times with how much the Chicago people travel. Between Chicago and NY three women made SP in restructuring this year, so it's improving.
Chicago people travel constantly outside of COVID times because BK is a very in-person-meeting/negotiation-heavy group, and the overwhelming majority of that discussion happens in NY (because that is where all the FAs are, all of the non-KE BK lawyers are, most of the financial principals are, etc). And when things aren't happening in NY they're normally happening in Delaware, Virginia, or TX.
A bit easier to get to TX from Chicago, but that's the only advantage. Basically no meaningful bankruptcies get filed in Illinois anymore. Occasionally some in-person meetings will happen in Chicago when the business itself/management is more convenient to Chicago than NY, but it's comparatively rare.
Of course, who knows what will happen post-COVID. Unclear how much will remain remote in terms of court hearings. The entire field absolutely believes that remote negotiation/mediation just doesn't get things done as quickly or effectively so it does seem like that will end up coming back to being much more in person. So, as a Chicago BK person, you should definitely be prepared for the fact that you're likely to travel a lot.
If there's a way we can talk outside of here I would so appreciate that. Even anonymously. If it's too much of a hassle right now keeping it to tls is good too. Thanks so much.
Senior associates/NSPs are traveling for meetings, negotiations, hearings, etc…Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:01 amI swear. I've networked with at least 8 BK associates from Kirkland RX and NO ONE has mentioned this. Can you tell me what kind of things BK associates would be expected to do while traveling? I guess I'm asking about why it's necessary for them to have to travel. Aren't they juniors doing mostly paperwork? I was told about having to go to TX for BK court. So I'm assuming juniors go to DE for the same reason? Are they actually going in front of a judge? How often? So sorry for the questions but this is so useful.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 11:07 pmThe Chicago RX group is pretty big, but it's just not where the center of the group is any more in terms of the people at the very top of the group.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:58 pmIsn't Kirkland's RX group in Chicago pretty big? I know women SPs are scarce in any practice group but 1 in Chicago seems pretty low. Also can you expand on the travel? Is there a lot of traveling in RX?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Feb 10, 2022 10:56 pmDoesn't make a lot of sense to just consider the Chicago BK group in isolation, that group really is Chicago+Ny and, frankly, Chicago BK is way less important than NY BK at this point and the practice is basically run out of NY outside of COVID times with how much the Chicago people travel. Between Chicago and NY three women made SP in restructuring this year, so it's improving.
Chicago people travel constantly outside of COVID times because BK is a very in-person-meeting/negotiation-heavy group, and the overwhelming majority of that discussion happens in NY (because that is where all the FAs are, all of the non-KE BK lawyers are, most of the financial principals are, etc). And when things aren't happening in NY they're normally happening in Delaware, Virginia, or TX.
A bit easier to get to TX from Chicago, but that's the only advantage. Basically no meaningful bankruptcies get filed in Illinois anymore. Occasionally some in-person meetings will happen in Chicago when the business itself/management is more convenient to Chicago than NY, but it's comparatively rare.
Of course, who knows what will happen post-COVID. Unclear how much will remain remote in terms of court hearings. The entire field absolutely believes that remote negotiation/mediation just doesn't get things done as quickly or effectively so it does seem like that will end up coming back to being much more in person. So, as a Chicago BK person, you should definitely be prepared for the fact that you're likely to travel a lot.
If there's a way we can talk outside of here I would so appreciate that. Even anonymously. If it's too much of a hassle right now keeping it to tls is good too. Thanks so much.
are women more likely to be in litigation than in corporate compared to men? i'm curious if there's anything that shows that and if so, why that would beAnonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:58 amThis is not surprising at all. Women are underrepresented at the partner level in all corporate disciplines, but we are disproportionately underrepresented in certain specific corporate disciplines, most notably bankruptcy and finance. I’m a female associate in finance and we can’t get other female associates to join our group for various reasons, so I don’t really see this problem getting any better, at least at my firm. Tough to make more female partners if you don’t have any female associates.
Women are much less likely to make partner to begin with. Just looking at KE nalp info, associates are 41% female while partners are 23% female. And that's including NSP, ratio probably even worse for SP. NALP doesn't break it down by group, but the factors for why this happens are more likely to affect corporate.jotarokujo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:18 pmare women more likely to be in litigation than in corporate compared to men? i'm curious if there's anything that shows that and if so, why that would beAnonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:58 amThis is not surprising at all. Women are underrepresented at the partner level in all corporate disciplines, but we are disproportionately underrepresented in certain specific corporate disciplines, most notably bankruptcy and finance. I’m a female associate in finance and we can’t get other female associates to join our group for various reasons, so I don’t really see this problem getting any better, at least at my firm. Tough to make more female partners if you don’t have any female associates.