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Nice try, John DurhamAnonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:17 pmAnyone have any knowledge about Elias Law Group? Interested in supporting their mission/curious about applying but there’s very little info available about actually working there (hours, culture, comp, etc.) Understand it’s brand new so this may be hard to come by.
I mean, Elias got sanctioned by CA5 for misleading the Court, and even liberals think his tactics and judgement are questionable. So he doesn't have the most sterling reputation.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:17 pmAnyone have any knowledge about Elias Law Group? Interested in supporting their mission/curious about applying but there’s very little info available about actually working there (hours, culture, comp, etc.) Understand it’s brand new so this may be hard to come by.
Why is that surprising? Elias took all the political law people from Perkins that didn't have alternative interests in commercial law. I also suspect he isn't paying BigLaw salaries, but that is pure speculation based on nothing other than doubts an entirely political practice can sustain BigLaw salaries.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:34 pmSomeone in my school who summered at Perkins is now a first year at Elias. I don't know this person well but it's interesting that the split included juniors.
It's not surprising just interesting. Seems like a good way to summarize it is "Perkins political law group, but now without the institutional support of a big firm".Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:45 pmWhy is that surprising? Elias took all the political law people from Perkins that didn't have alternative interests in commercial law. I also suspect he isn't paying BigLaw salaries, but that is pure speculation based on nothing other than doubts an entirely political practice can sustain BigLaw salaries.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:34 pmSomeone in my school who summered at Perkins is now a first year at Elias. I don't know this person well but it's interesting that the split included juniors.
The way you've worded this makes it sound like a con, but it sounds like a neutral at worst and a reasonably sized pro at best. Full service firms are completely overrated.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:56 pmIt's not surprising just interesting. Seems like a good way to summarize it is "Perkins political law group, but now without the institutional support of a big firm".
Maybe being sanctioned by CA5 is another feather in his cap.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:18 pmI mean, Elias got sanctioned by CA5 for misleading the Court, and even liberals think his tactics and judgement are questionable. So he doesn't have the most sterling reputation.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:17 pmAnyone have any knowledge about Elias Law Group? Interested in supporting their mission/curious about applying but there’s very little info available about actually working there (hours, culture, comp, etc.) Understand it’s brand new so this may be hard to come by.
I don’t think the last point is true. I don’t think Perkins Coie as a whole subsidized the group. From what I understand, as Elias became more and more prominent, tensions grew between his (explicitly Democratic) group and the rest of the biglaw firm that serviced large corporate interests. The split wasn’t about Elias not carrying his weight to pay his team. Most of their clients are state/national candidates and committees who have lots of cash.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:45 pmWhy is that surprising? Elias took all the political law people from Perkins that didn't have alternative interests in commercial law. I also suspect he isn't paying BigLaw salaries, but that is pure speculation based on nothing other than doubts an entirely political practice can sustain BigLaw salaries.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:34 pmSomeone in my school who summered at Perkins is now a first year at Elias. I don't know this person well but it's interesting that the split included juniors.
In no world is getting sanctioned by a court of appeals for misleading the court a feather in one's cap. He filed a motion and failed to disclose that a different panel on CA5 had already rejected the same motion in an earlier stage of the case. That's unethical regardless whether you agree with his underlying mission.UnfrozenCaveman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:55 pmMaybe being sanctioned by CA5 is another feather in his cap.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:18 pmI mean, Elias got sanctioned by CA5 for misleading the Court, and even liberals think his tactics and judgement are questionable. So he doesn't have the most sterling reputation.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:17 pmAnyone have any knowledge about Elias Law Group? Interested in supporting their mission/curious about applying but there’s very little info available about actually working there (hours, culture, comp, etc.) Understand it’s brand new so this may be hard to come by.
But for real, a little ridiculous to say that he doesn't have a sterling reputation considering the bulk of his work.
I'm not the anon you're responding to but I think you misunderstood the point. They weren't telling you to go work for those orgs, but to ask them discreetly what they actually think about Elias.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:16 amOP here - all those organizations you listed do good work as well but how many are paying (close to?) a firm salary? That's what seems to set it apart, to do important meaningful work without giving up much.
Fair enough, if you want to do voting work and get paid, then it makes sense to work for a firm that represents the democratic party rather than voters. My point is that Elias has less than a sterling reputation, even amongst the voting rights crowd. And some (many?) in that crowd think that his advocacy hurts the cause more than it helps. And whether fair or not, there's a difference between cases that are brought by voters--and that emphasize the costs of restrictive voting laws on them--and cases brought by the Democratic party, which judges are more likely to view as cases about partisan gain . Maybe you don't think there's all that much of a difference, but some judges unquestionably do.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:16 amOP here - all those organizations you listed do good work as well but how many are paying (close to?) a firm salary? That's what seems to set it apart, to do important meaningful work without giving up much.
Also, not to derail but just throwing it out there: when one party is actively trying to disenfranchise minority voters I think being partisan is kind of inevitable, maybe even a prerequisite.
Ignoring the dumb sidetrack, I am interested in their finances and if they pay BigLaw salaries. In 2020, the DNC and associated groups paid Perkins Coie about $28 million for legal services, and they got $68 million total. https://www.opensecrets.org/campaign-ex ... rkins+CoieAnonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:14 amI don’t think the last point is true. I don’t think Perkins Coie as a whole subsidized the group. From what I understand, as Elias became more and more prominent, tensions grew between his (explicitly Democratic) group and the rest of the biglaw firm that serviced large corporate interests. The split wasn’t about Elias not carrying his weight to pay his team. Most of their clients are state/national candidates and committees who have lots of cash.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:45 pmWhy is that surprising? Elias took all the political law people from Perkins that didn't have alternative interests in commercial law. I also suspect he isn't paying BigLaw salaries, but that is pure speculation based on nothing other than doubts an entirely political practice can sustain BigLaw salaries.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:34 pmSomeone in my school who summered at Perkins is now a first year at Elias. I don't know this person well but it's interesting that the split included juniors.
I do not know if his new firm is paying full biglaw comp to associates, though. He could probably attract lots of top talent without paying biglaw market anyway, given the unique nature of the work the group does.
Website lists 15 partners and 39 associates.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:05 pmIgnoring the dumb sidetrack, I am interested in their finances and if they pay BigLaw salaries. In 2020, the DNC and associated groups paid Perkins Coie about $28 million for legal services, and they got $68 million total. https://www.opensecrets.org/campaign-ex ... rkins+CoieAnonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:14 amI don’t think the last point is true. I don’t think Perkins Coie as a whole subsidized the group. From what I understand, as Elias became more and more prominent, tensions grew between his (explicitly Democratic) group and the rest of the biglaw firm that serviced large corporate interests. The split wasn’t about Elias not carrying his weight to pay his team. Most of their clients are state/national candidates and committees who have lots of cash.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:45 pmWhy is that surprising? Elias took all the political law people from Perkins that didn't have alternative interests in commercial law. I also suspect he isn't paying BigLaw salaries, but that is pure speculation based on nothing other than doubts an entirely political practice can sustain BigLaw salaries.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:34 pmSomeone in my school who summered at Perkins is now a first year at Elias. I don't know this person well but it's interesting that the split included juniors.
I do not know if his new firm is paying full biglaw comp to associates, though. He could probably attract lots of top talent without paying biglaw market anyway, given the unique nature of the work the group does.
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:16 amAlso, not to derail but just throwing it out there: when one party is actively trying to disenfranchise minority voters and undermine elections and public health through conspiracy theories and disinformation, I think being partisan is kind of inevitable, maybe even a prerequisite.
Agreed. Quite a few attorneys I respect were rolling their eyes at the Fifth Circuit panel. It was an overreaction. As for Elias, he's definitely a self-promoter, but his team is effective at what they do. If you want to do that sort of work and agree with his politics, it would be a good place to get experience.Robot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:53 pmBrave anon should be outed. Also yeah regardless of whether Elias is good (I personally find his public persona obnoxious but don’t have any expertise on his lit) I really doubt that getting sanctioned 2-1 by a conservative CA5 panel for sharp but not-normally-sanctionable tactics is a big deal to anyone interested in his sort of work.