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you might wanna elaborate, because what blackbox means for 99% of people is ...the firm is paying them less than their (purported) peers in NY. it's an open secret at this point, check the various Jones Day threads on here
Also a JD associate; also happy to chime in if you'll give more information. JD NY has some strong practice groups and some weak practice groups. Overall, it's not a bad place to work. Where else do you have offers from?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:08 pmJD Associate. Blackbox means most people getting paid a little less to a lot less than market. I like working here, people are nice, work is interesting, etc. But truly, I can’t imagine my experience differs much from peers at places like Mayer Brown or White & Case, other than the fact that I make $5k-$10kish less. As such, the reasons to go to JD NY are (1) no other market paying offers and (2) market paying offers are at places with notorious culture issues or with very clear stability problems.
ETA: I can give more solid insight beyond Blackbox if your questions are a little more specific other than a general “how’s Jones Day”?
Edit 2: also want to be clear that I make $5-10k less than market depending on how you control for hours reqs, but I’m pretty sure I’m on the higher end
Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:00 pmAlso a JD associate; also happy to chime in if you'll give more information. JD NY has some strong practice groups and some weak practice groups. Overall, it's not a bad place to work. Where else do you have offers from?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:08 pmJD Associate. Blackbox means most people getting paid a little less to a lot less than market. I like working here, people are nice, work is interesting, etc. But truly, I can’t imagine my experience differs much from peers at places like Mayer Brown or White & Case, other than the fact that I make $5k-$10kish less. As such, the reasons to go to JD NY are (1) no other market paying offers and (2) market paying offers are at places with notorious culture issues or with very clear stability problems.
ETA: I can give more solid insight beyond Blackbox if your questions are a little more specific other than a general “how’s Jones Day”?
Edit 2: also want to be clear that I make $5-10k less than market depending on how you control for hours reqs, but I’m pretty sure I’m on the higher end
Honestly I'd actually consider taking JD and then trying to lateral to a market-paying firm. Jones Day seems to be pretty substantially better at corporate work in NY than either of those other two options.sy_k wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:20 pmAnonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:00 pmAlso a JD associate; also happy to chime in if you'll give more information. JD NY has some strong practice groups and some weak practice groups. Overall, it's not a bad place to work. Where else do you have offers from?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:08 pmJD Associate. Blackbox means most people getting paid a little less to a lot less than market. I like working here, people are nice, work is interesting, etc. But truly, I can’t imagine my experience differs much from peers at places like Mayer Brown or White & Case, other than the fact that I make $5k-$10kish less. As such, the reasons to go to JD NY are (1) no other market paying offers and (2) market paying offers are at places with notorious culture issues or with very clear stability problems.
ETA: I can give more solid insight beyond Blackbox if your questions are a little more specific other than a general “how’s Jones Day”?
Edit 2: also want to be clear that I make $5-10k less than market depending on how you control for hours reqs, but I’m pretty sure I’m on the higher end
I'm interested in mainly corporate and am considering DLA and Blank Rome as well. I am not too troubled by the 5-10k difference at JD and am more concerned about work cultures, training, mentorship, and, to some extent, exit options. If you could touch on that, I'd appreciate it.
I think this is credited. I'd add that JD NY corporate associates generally get treated well by the blackbox. Some make at or near market and a few make above market. But don't count on that.existentialcrisis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:40 pmHonestly I'd actually consider taking JD and then trying to lateral to a market-paying firm. Jones Day seems to be pretty substantially better at corporate work in NY than either of those other two options.sy_k wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:20 pmAnonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 4:00 pmAlso a JD associate; also happy to chime in if you'll give more information. JD NY has some strong practice groups and some weak practice groups. Overall, it's not a bad place to work. Where else do you have offers from?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:08 pmJD Associate. Blackbox means most people getting paid a little less to a lot less than market. I like working here, people are nice, work is interesting, etc. But truly, I can’t imagine my experience differs much from peers at places like Mayer Brown or White & Case, other than the fact that I make $5k-$10kish less. As such, the reasons to go to JD NY are (1) no other market paying offers and (2) market paying offers are at places with notorious culture issues or with very clear stability problems.
ETA: I can give more solid insight beyond Blackbox if your questions are a little more specific other than a general “how’s Jones Day”?
Edit 2: also want to be clear that I make $5-10k less than market depending on how you control for hours reqs, but I’m pretty sure I’m on the higher end
I'm interested in mainly corporate and am considering DLA and Blank Rome as well. I am not too troubled by the 5-10k difference at JD and am more concerned about work cultures, training, mentorship, and, to some extent, exit options. If you could touch on that, I'd appreciate it.
I could see the argument for DLA in that you could probably lateral to a better firm from there anyway and you'd likely at least make market in the meantime.
I wouldn't really consider Blank Rome.
1. It's a meme.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:47 amVery funny to hear that the cream doesn’t go there—they have 100+ SCOTUS clerks
Like most firms, JD has a mix of good and bad resumes. Some offices have major talent, especially current HQ (DC) and former HQ (Ohio). Other offices don't have much at all. JD NY is middle of the road. It has great partners and gets V15 laterals, but it struggles somewhat during on-campus recruiting.publius365 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 12:10 pm1. It's a meme.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 11:47 amVery funny to hear that the cream doesn’t go there—they have 100+ SCOTUS clerks
2. If you're a SCOTUS clerk, you're probably not straw-polling TLS. Anyways, while it's great that the firm buys SCOTUS clerks, for the other 99.99% of law students...