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I am in patent litigation at another top lit firm. We work across from Kirkland and Quinn a lot. Never seen WH in this space. That said, Kirkland picks a lot of unnecessary fights with us over stupid things. They seem like unpleasant people; I would not like to be a junior in that group. Quinn works hard but I don't see them as that sleazy.
Do you think there are any substantive differences, or at this level just pick based on who seems more enjoyable to work with?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:22 amI am in patent litigation at another top lit firm. We work across from Kirkland and Quinn a lot. Never seen WH in this space. That said, Kirkland picks a lot of unnecessary fights with us over stupid things. They seem like unpleasant people; I would not like to be a junior in that group. Quinn works hard but I don't see them as that sleazy.
Do you think there are any substantive differences, or at this level just pick based on who seems more enjoyable to work with?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:22 amI am in patent litigation at another top lit firm. We work across from Kirkland and Quinn a lot. Never seen WH in this space. That said, Kirkland picks a lot of unnecessary fights with us over stupid things. They seem like unpleasant people; I would not like to be a junior in that group. Quinn works hard but I don't see them as that sleazy.
Kirkland if you want excellent training and great lateral opportunities a couple years in if you don't like it (with the understanding those years will be grueling). Some of the best attorneys I've met started at Kirkland.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:54 pmDo you think there are any substantive differences, or at this level just pick based on who seems more enjoyable to work with?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:22 amI am in patent litigation at another top lit firm. We work across from Kirkland and Quinn a lot. Never seen WH in this space. That said, Kirkland picks a lot of unnecessary fights with us over stupid things. They seem like unpleasant people; I would not like to be a junior in that group. Quinn works hard but I don't see them as that sleazy.
Best to start off as an associate interested in IP lit in the high tech spaceAnonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:24 pmBest for what? Best to work for as a 1L? Best to hire as a small/medium/large company that's been sued? Best for a mid-level? They each have strengths on different axes.
Wow great point. It's definitely not clear whether the OP is:Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:24 pmBest for what? Best to work for as a 1L? Best to hire as a small/medium/large company that's been sued? Best for a mid-level? They each have strengths on different axes.
Assuming you are a 1L looking for the best firm to join as a junior, I would say the most important things are lifestyle/day to day/like who you work with; opportunities for growth for juniors; prestige. If you want to go in house down the line and don't love your firm's client base, you can always lateral. If your firm isn't the right place to be a midlevel/senior, you can also lateral for that reason.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 3:54 pmDo you think there are any substantive differences, or at this level just pick based on who seems more enjoyable to work with?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:22 amI am in patent litigation at another top lit firm. We work across from Kirkland and Quinn a lot. Never seen WH in this space. That said, Kirkland picks a lot of unnecessary fights with us over stupid things. They seem like unpleasant people; I would not like to be a junior in that group. Quinn works hard but I don't see them as that sleazy.
Is the 2 billion dollar verdict in VLSI v. Intel concerning at all? That seems like it would be a huge hit.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:12 pmWilmer, absolutely Wilmer. I summered at Wilmer and chose it specifically for their IP/patent lit group, over an offer from Quinn who I had a very bad experience with. Wilmer has fantastic patent lit work, a fantastic group of people doing it, and great culture. Admittedly don't have much to say about Kirkland though.
Why would it be concerning? It's not like WilmerHale is responsible for the judgment, and Bill Lee's reputation isn't going to be tarnished by an adverse result in one of the largest, most closely watched patent trials of the last decade. That kind of thing only helps in the long run.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:05 pmIs the 2 billion dollar verdict in VLSI v. Intel concerning at all? That seems like it would be a huge hit.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:12 pmWilmer, absolutely Wilmer. I summered at Wilmer and chose it specifically for their IP/patent lit group, over an offer from Quinn who I had a very bad experience with. Wilmer has fantastic patent lit work, a fantastic group of people doing it, and great culture. Admittedly don't have much to say about Kirkland though.
Not to mention its Morgan Chu on the other side and its tied at 1-1 with a tiebreaker in the pipelineAnonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 1:12 pmWhy would it be concerning? It's not like WilmerHale is responsible for the judgment, and Bill Lee's reputation isn't going to be tarnished by an adverse result in one of the largest, most closely watched patent trials of the last decade. That kind of thing only helps in the long run.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:05 pmIs the 2 billion dollar verdict in VLSI v. Intel concerning at all? That seems like it would be a huge hit.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:12 pmWilmer, absolutely Wilmer. I summered at Wilmer and chose it specifically for their IP/patent lit group, over an offer from Quinn who I had a very bad experience with. Wilmer has fantastic patent lit work, a fantastic group of people doing it, and great culture. Admittedly don't have much to say about Kirkland though.
I am also interested in some of these firms IP lit. Curious as to why Kirkland is not in the lead here? Seems they have a bigger presence in NY. Also, importantly, does a focus on tech change the stakes at all? Are lateral opportunities the same?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:46 amAll are peer firms, but as to NY, WilmerHale is the best option. Had it been Chicago, it would have been Kirkland. Had it been California, it would have been Quinn.