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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Hearing rumors that Dorsey is going to a two tier compensation track. One tier matching the Faegre scale at 1900 billable hours and a lower tier at 1700 hours.

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Hearing rumors that Dorsey is going to a two tier compensation track. One tier matching the Faegre scale at 1900 billable hours and a lower tier at 1700 hours.

These types of models are not good for associates and never last long. More associates will end up on the 1700 track (yet billing more than that since nobody can just stop billing when they hit their target) and thus save these firms loads of money while enabling them to market that they offer "top pay".

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:51 pm
Hearing rumors that Dorsey is going to a two tier compensation track. One tier matching the Faegre scale at 1900 billable hours and a lower tier at 1700 hours.

Does Faegre have the same requirement to hit target hours to get full salary?

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:25 pm
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Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:51 pm
Hearing rumors that Dorsey is going to a two tier compensation track. One tier matching the Faegre scale at 1900 billable hours and a lower tier at 1700 hours.

Does Faegre have the same requirement to hit target hours to get full salary?
I don’t think so. I believe they are one track with a 1900 hour requirement.

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Winthrop to 155k

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:36 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:25 pm
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Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:51 pm
Hearing rumors that Dorsey is going to a two tier compensation track. One tier matching the Faegre scale at 1900 billable hours and a lower tier at 1700 hours.

Does Faegre have the same requirement to hit target hours to get full salary?
I don’t think so. I believe they are one track with a 1900 hour requirement.

Didn't Dorsey make $$$$$$ last year and Faegre miss their target? If I was choosing between the two, I would go with Faegre since you can get away with an off or slow year (or two) at most places without taking a salary cut.

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Winthrop to 155k
What was their starting salary before the raise? $140k?

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Winthrop to 155k
What was their starting salary before the raise? $140k?
Not 100% sure but NALP shows 140k

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Fredrickson to 180k with 1850 billable hours requirement

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Fredrickson to 180k with 1850 billable hours requirement
Holy shit it’s really happening

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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1850 hours is solid. Do they cut your pay or hold back raises if you miss hours?

Anyone know if Faegre does the same thing?

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Fredrickson to 180k with 1850 billable hours requirement
Any news on non-Minneapolis markets? Also what does Fredrikson pay in those markets anyway?

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Heard that Robins is moving and will announce specifics by mid-September

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Winthrop to 155k
Winthrop has 180k listed on NALP now

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NALP has Fox at 155k now

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Stinson 170k nationwide

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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NALP has Maslon 170k

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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NALP has Maslon 170k

What is Jones Day's Minnesota office like? Also, what's the scoop with Robins Kaplan? What are associates actually billing at these offices? Thanks

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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NALP has Maslon 170k

What is Jones Day's Minnesota office like? Also, what's the scoop with Robins Kaplan? What are associates actually billing at these offices? Thanks
JD Minneapolis is where careers go to die. Several friends/former colleagues went there and left within a year or two. The partners generate no work so you wind up being overflow for Chicago/NY/DC.

Sure you make a little more in the short term, but there is no professional development to speak of, and there is no long term sustainability.

Robins has had some big wins lately but they have a funky business model without any transactional work to keep them afloat in lean times. Heavily compressed salary scale for associates, but I think most are 1800-1900 hours , and Minneapolis is pretty low COL so it’s fine.

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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NALP has Maslon 170k
What's up with Maslon? I'm a New York lawyer and I've randomly seen them around a few times (mostly as counsel to US Bank, which I suppose makes sense).

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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NALP has Maslon 170k

What is Jones Day's Minnesota office like? Also, what's the scoop with Robins Kaplan? What are associates actually billing at these offices? Thanks
JD Minneapolis is where careers go to die. Several friends/former colleagues went there and left within a year or two. The partners generate no work so you wind up being overflow for Chicago/NY/DC.

Sure you make a little more in the short term, but there is no professional development to speak of, and there is no long term sustainability.

Robins has had some big wins lately but they have a funky business model without any transactional work to keep them afloat in lean times. Heavily compressed salary scale for associates, but I think most are 1800-1900 hours , and Minneapolis is pretty low COL so it’s fine.
I was under the impression that many of the people who left Jones Day Minneapolis recently jumped into nice in-house roles—were they pushed out instead?

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

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Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:25 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:45 pm
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NALP has Maslon 170k

What is Jones Day's Minnesota office like? Also, what's the scoop with Robins Kaplan? What are associates actually billing at these offices? Thanks
JD Minneapolis is where careers go to die. Several friends/former colleagues went there and left within a year or two. The partners generate no work so you wind up being overflow for Chicago/NY/DC.

Sure you make a little more in the short term, but there is no professional development to speak of, and there is no long term sustainability.

Robins has had some big wins lately but they have a funky business model without any transactional work to keep them afloat in lean times. Heavily compressed salary scale for associates, but I think most are 1800-1900 hours , and Minneapolis is pretty low COL so it’s fine.
I was under the impression that many of the people who left Jones Day Minneapolis recently jumped into nice in-house roles—were they pushed out instead?
I'll start with caveat that my info is slightly dated. I was at JD Minneapolis as an associate during the pandemic. Ultimately, I left because of the scenario described above. While it's an exaggeration that partners don't generate work, a lot of the work I did came out of other offices. When I left, I felt very stagnant, like I had not learned any new skills for years. It's not like that for all people, it just depends on what matters you get stuck with. I knew associates who worked on matters that allowed them to learn and grow as an attorney.

But to answer your question directly, people got their pay docked during the pandemic and those people knew they were basically being asked to leave. In 2020 pay was frozen and we were told only super performers even got raises. They did not say they decreased people's pay, but that's what happened. Many of the associates that I knew who left went to other firms or in-house, but even the in-house people were the ones that got docked and we're being pushed out. I would t be surprised if recent departures to in-house were due to being pushed out, but I wouldn't know if that were the case.

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Re: MN Big Law Salary

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jan 18, 2024 9:56 am

My perception of JD is the same as others have said. It’s not a place where the average associate has a chance to grow and develop the same as the firms that have more homegrown business. And because many associates are servicing overflow from other offices, you actually don’t get the same opportunity to build a local network and client relationships that can help you land the best in-house positions in MN, if that is your goal.

That’s a generalization and any particular person’s experience may vary. They did promote three Minneapolis associates to partner over the last two years (including a former SCOTUS clerk), with JD class years of 2010-2014, so some people eventually find some long term success there.

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