Pre-OCI 2021 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone gotten any hits with the top nyc shops? (CSM, S&C, Skadden, DPW, PW, Debevoise, Simpson, Weil, Cleary)

Not sure about CSM or S&C or Cleary but definite yes for the other firms on your list.

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone gotten any hits with the top nyc shops? (CSM, S&C, Skadden, DPW, PW, Debevoise, Simpson, Weil, Cleary)

Yes, CB from 2 of those firms.

[Anonymous User]

Which firms tend to have the most pre-OCI movement?

[Anonymous User]

My school discourages pre-oci, but doesn't forbid it. So I find myself knowing almost nothing about it. I also expected median grades, so I put it out of my mind. But then my grades hit top 15% at a T14. Should I be seriously considering doing pre-OCI at this point? Even for firms that will be at my school's OCI?

[Anonymous User]

My school discourages pre-oci, but doesn't forbid it. So I find myself knowing almost nothing about it. I also expected median grades, so I put it out of my mind. But then my grades hit top 15% at a T14. Should I be seriously considering doing pre-OCI at this point? Even for firms that will be at my school's OCI?

My school used to discourage it then got fucked in hiring this year and suddenly is all about pre OCI. Go for any firm that doesn't expressly tell you not to apply if they come to your schools OCI. Costs you nothing but time. If you get even 1 offer it makes your OCI experience infinitely less stressful, and probably lets you bid more ambitiously. You're top 15% at a T14 I bet you get some bites.

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone gotten any hits with the top nyc shops? (CSM, S&C, Skadden, DPW, PW, Debevoise, Simpson, Weil, Cleary)

Applied to Simpson a few weeks ago pre-spring grades and said they would actively consider once grades submitted and then silence since. fuck me right

[Anonymous User]

Which firms tend to have the most pre-OCI movement?

From CLS, I know that Weil, DPW, Cleary, PW, and STB have all done a lot of pre-OCI in the past years. I’ve definitely heard of almost all the other NYC firms participating too, but I know for a fact those firms do a ton of interviews before EIP.

[Anonymous User]

Which firms tend to have the most pre-OCI movement?

anyone know which/if any DC firms do pre-OCI?

[Anonymous User]

My school discourages pre-oci, but doesn't forbid it. So I find myself knowing almost nothing about it. I also expected median grades, so I put it out of my mind. But then my grades hit top 15% at a T14. Should I be seriously considering doing pre-OCI at this point? Even for firms that will be at my school's OCI?

My school used to discourage it then got fucked in hiring this year and suddenly is all about pre OCI. Go for any firm that doesn't expressly tell you not to apply if they come to your schools OCI. Costs you nothing but time. If you get even 1 offer it makes your OCI experience infinitely less stressful, and probably lets you bid more ambitiously. You're top 15% at a T14 I bet you get some bites.

This is key. The point of pre-OCI isn't necessarily to land your dream job / 1st-choice firm. (I mean, that could happen, you never know, but it's fairly unlikely.) Your real goal is to apply widely and hopefully land one (maybe two) offers. That allows you to cut down the number of screeners you do during OCI itself, and psychologically, helps you relax and perform better during OCI.

[Anonymous User]

My school discourages pre-oci, but doesn't forbid it. So I find myself knowing almost nothing about it. I also expected median grades, so I put it out of my mind. But then my grades hit top 15% at a T14. Should I be seriously considering doing pre-OCI at this point? Even for firms that will be at my school's OCI?

My school used to discourage it then got fucked in hiring this year and suddenly is all about pre OCI. Go for any firm that doesn't expressly tell you not to apply if they come to your schools OCI. Costs you nothing but time. If you get even 1 offer it makes your OCI experience infinitely less stressful, and probably lets you bid more ambitiously. You're top 15% at a T14 I bet you get some bites.

This is key. The point of pre-OCI isn't necessarily to land your dream job / 1st-choice firm. (I mean, that could happen, you never know, but it's fairly unlikely.) Your real goal is to apply widely and hopefully land one (maybe two) offers. That allows you to cut down the number of screeners you do during OCI itself, and psychologically, helps you relax and perform better during OCI.

Oh, ok, this actually makes a lot of sense. One last question here, how does timing work? For example, if you pre-OCI and do happen to get an offer, is that offer going to expire before you get OCI offers? Sorry I'm so ignorant about this, but clearly the careers office is purposely keeping us in the dark.

[Anonymous User]

My school discourages pre-oci, but doesn't forbid it. So I find myself knowing almost nothing about it. I also expected median grades, so I put it out of my mind. But then my grades hit top 15% at a T14. Should I be seriously considering doing pre-OCI at this point? Even for firms that will be at my school's OCI?

My school used to discourage it then got fucked in hiring this year and suddenly is all about pre OCI. Go for any firm that doesn't expressly tell you not to apply if they come to your schools OCI. Costs you nothing but time. If you get even 1 offer it makes your OCI experience infinitely less stressful, and probably lets you bid more ambitiously. You're top 15% at a T14 I bet you get some bites.

This is key. The point of pre-OCI isn't necessarily to land your dream job / 1st-choice firm. (I mean, that could happen, you never know, but it's fairly unlikely.) Your real goal is to apply widely and hopefully land one (maybe two) offers. That allows you to cut down the number of screeners you do during OCI itself, and psychologically, helps you relax and perform better during OCI.

Oh, ok, this actually makes a lot of sense. One last question here, how does timing work? For example, if you pre-OCI and do happen to get an offer, is that offer going to expire before you get OCI offers? Sorry I'm so ignorant about this, but clearly the careers office is purposely keeping us in the dark.

Depends on the firm. I think most will give you through OCI but some have a shorter time table.

[Anonymous User]

Which firms tend to have the most pre-OCI movement?

anyone know which/if any DC firms do pre-OCI?

When I went through a few years ago Covington, STB, Latham, and Skadden all did it. Might be more that I'm not thinking of

[Anonymous User]

Which firms tend to have the most pre-OCI movement?

anyone know which/if any DC firms do pre-OCI?

When I went through a few years ago Covington, STB, Latham, and Skadden all did it. Might be more that I'm not thinking of

Sidley as well.

[Anonymous User]

My school discourages pre-oci, but doesn't forbid it. So I find myself knowing almost nothing about it. I also expected median grades, so I put it out of my mind. But then my grades hit top 15% at a T14. Should I be seriously considering doing pre-OCI at this point? Even for firms that will be at my school's OCI?

My school used to discourage it then got fucked in hiring this year and suddenly is all about pre OCI. Go for any firm that doesn't expressly tell you not to apply if they come to your schools OCI. Costs you nothing but time. If you get even 1 offer it makes your OCI experience infinitely less stressful, and probably lets you bid more ambitiously. You're top 15% at a T14 I bet you get some bites.

This is key. The point of pre-OCI isn't necessarily to land your dream job / 1st-choice firm. (I mean, that could happen, you never know, but it's fairly unlikely.) Your real goal is to apply widely and hopefully land one (maybe two) offers. That allows you to cut down the number of screeners you do during OCI itself, and psychologically, helps you relax and perform better during OCI.

Oh, ok, this actually makes a lot of sense. One last question here, how does timing work? For example, if you pre-OCI and do happen to get an offer, is that offer going to expire before you get OCI offers? Sorry I'm so ignorant about this, but clearly the careers office is purposely keeping us in the dark.

Depends on the firm. I think most will give you through OCI but some have a shorter time table.

Yeah, pre-OCI offers typically are held open long enough to give you some time to run the gauntlet during OCI, but usually aren't held open for weeks and weeks and weeks.

My school's policy states: "If an employer makes an offer to any student before the beginning of [OCI], through a resume collection or prior relationship, that offer should not expire until at least 21 days following the first day of [OCI]." Your school probably has something similar in place.

However, firms (frustratingly) can and do take a DGAF attitude to that policy, basically with an impunity. One of the large NY firms attached a 14-days-after-OCI window to my pre-OCI offer, which forced my hand (since the OCI screener → callback → offer takes longer than 14 days...even 21 days can be tough).

[Anonymous User]

(since the OCI screener → callback → offer takes longer than 14 days...even 21 days can be tough).

Where the hell is this the timetable? At my T14 callbacks start the day after OCI and offers are generally made the same day or the day after.

[Anonymous User]

(since the OCI screener → callback → offer takes longer than 14 days...even 21 days can be tough).

Where the hell is this the timetable? At my T14 callbacks start the day after OCI and offers are generally made the same day or the day after.

Some markets move slower than others.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

Which firms tend to have the most pre-OCI movement?

anyone know which/if any DC firms do pre-OCI?

When I went through a few years ago Covington, STB, Latham, and Skadden all did it. Might be more that I'm not thinking of

Sidley as well.

Add Morgan Lewis DC to that list.

[Anonymous User]

Which firms tend to have the most pre-OCI movement?

anyone know which/if any DC firms do pre-OCI?

When I went through a few years ago Covington, STB, Latham, and Skadden all did it. Might be more that I'm not thinking of

Sidley as well.

Add Morgan Lewis DC to that list.

has morgan lewis DC started interviewing yet?

[Anonymous User]

So what I'm getting from this is the applications my ~top 15% T20 ass has been sending out for the last week have not been totally in vain?

Love to hear im not completely wasting my time with the networking and all

Definitely not in vain. I had roughly your same stats and ended up getting 4 offers through pre-OCI (non-NYC market).

[diglaw]

Has anyone gotten any hits with the top nyc shops? (CSM, S&C, Skadden, DPW, PW, Debevoise, Simpson, Weil, Cleary)

Yes, CB from 2 of those firms.

Mind sharing the timeline for these? (Approximate works)

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone gotten any hits with the top nyc shops? (CSM, S&C, Skadden, DPW, PW, Debevoise, Simpson, Weil, Cleary)

Yes, CB from 2 of those firms.

Mind sharing the timeline for these? (Approximate works)

Applied roughly a week ago, heard back within 1-2 days. Interviews as soon as this week.

[Anonymous User]

anyone have any more updates on the DC market? callbacks? offers?

[Anonymous User]

so my GPA second semester shot up -- 3.78 -> 3.98 and I jumped from top 15% to ~6% in class rank and (presumably - based on past cutoffs that have held steady for 4 years) graded onto law review. Official GPA/class rank is not released until Friday. Should I hit firms up now for pre-OCI or wait until the official information is out.

T20 school (if that matters at all)

[Anonymous User]

so my GPA second semester shot up -- 3.78 -> 3.98 and I jumped from top 15% to ~6% in class rank and (presumably - based on past cutoffs that have held steady for 4 years) graded onto law review. Official GPA/class rank is not released until Friday. Should I hit firms up now for pre-OCI or wait until the official information is out.

T20 school (if that matters at all)

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