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Also wondering this. Especially the ones that had an explicit business formal dress code pre-covid.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 7:25 pmAny predictions for what dress code will look like at the old-school NY white shoe firms (S&C, DPW, etc.)?
Every poster here obviously works for Wachtell.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:49 amWhat big law firms had the majority of people regularly wearing suits to the office pre-Covid?
People wearing suits aren't seen as important anymore.Prudent_Jurist wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:05 am5 days a week, baby.
How else will the plebeians at my favorite lunch spot know I’m important?
Clearly you’ve never seen me eat lunch in a suit.ExpOriental wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:08 am
People wearing suits aren't seen as important anymore.
These days, wearing a suit signals that you're someone else's lackey.
I'm picturing a lone individual hunched over a cellphone, tie tucked into a once-fitting shirt, prodding forlornly at a wilted salad, and lots of sighing. How close am I?Prudent_Jurist wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:23 amClearly you’ve never seen me eat lunch in a suit.ExpOriental wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:08 am
People wearing suits aren't seen as important anymore.
These days, wearing a suit signals that you're someone else's lackey.
I think this is becoming increasingly the case. The CEO of my F500 company doesn't wear suits to work on a regular basis. The security guards in the lobby do.ExpOriental wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:08 amPeople wearing suits aren't seen as important anymore.Prudent_Jurist wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:05 am5 days a week, baby.
How else will the plebeians at my favorite lunch spot know I’m important?
These days, wearing a suit signals that you're someone else's lackey.
You're missing the bloodshot eyes and a tan line where there was once a ring.ExpOriental wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:51 amI'm picturing a lone individual hunched over a cellphone, tie tucked into a once-fitting shirt, prodding forlornly at a wilted salad, and lots of sighing. How close am I?
+1, but you should be wearing a suit on saturday and sunday. communicates 24/7 importance.Prudent_Jurist wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:05 am5 days a week, baby.
How else will the plebeians at my favorite lunch spot know I’m important?
Jones Day was notorious about it for a while. Not sure where they stand today. Of course litigators will still do suits for court.transferquestiontls wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 amJust out of curiosity, which firm required wearing a full suit pre-COVID? I thought biglaw was biz cas.
nealric wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:20 pmJones Day was notorious about it for a while. Not sure where they stand today. Of course litigators will still do suits for court.transferquestiontls wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 amJust out of curiosity, which firm required wearing a full suit pre-COVID? I thought biglaw was biz cas.
Work Clothes
CHARLES TYRWHITT OR TM LEWIN
Crazy cheap shirts. They have deals where you can get them for as little as $30/shirt. Plenty of fits, patterns and fabrics. At that price, you can replace them when you need to.
ENZO CUSTOM
This is where I get my suits. There is NOTHING like a custom suit. They start at a very reasonable price ~$500 and increase with upgrades to fabrics. It is definitely worth in investing in 2-4 nice suits. Our job is to be presentable in front of clients, the court and our employers. The initial price may suck, but they last for years, and to be honest you can afford it. Treat yourself. You are better than off the rack!
COVID LIFE
Go get yourself a shirt, sweatshirt or hat from the merch shop. Flex on the Zoom meetings. Also see athleisure below. Or go to Bloomies and get yourself some decent casual clothes. Don't be afraid to break the mold of the old you. Be bold.
SHOES
Skip the Gucci and Ferragamo. Cole Haan and Allen Edmonds are great starting points.
Allen Edmonds get the 5th ave or the Park ave. Simple shoes with a cap toe. Get at least one pair of brown, one pair of black, and make sure you match your leathers. Be wary of the factory seconds sale. Sometimes you can get lucky and get a perfect pair at a discount.
SOCKS
Make sure you have fresh socks. Calvin Kline, Gold Toe, whatever. Get some blue, black and grey. Skip the wild patterns. This isn’t a London trading floor.
Watch
You don’t need to roll up with a Rolex on day one. If you have a nice luxury watch that you like, then wear it. You don’t need to abide by that stupid rule that you must prove your worth before you wear an expensive watch. However, if you don’t have one, no need to go out and get one to fit in.
The Apple watch is becoming ever more prevalent among associates and partners alike. I personally don’t like having my fitness tracker double as a watch, but people love it and stand by it.
There are also great fashion watch options. I like MVMT. They make a nice simple watch face and they’re really affordable.
The dream is AP OpenWorks in Rose Gold. If anyone wants to be my sugar(daddy, mommy, brother, uncle, whatever), that is what I want.
Bag
Get yourself some decent luggage for when you travel. The AWAY bag is a classic. Hard shell, charger, carry on size.
Get a nice messenger bag. Something leather. School is over, no more backpacks. This isn’t tech.
Lol, I've been using a backpack for years, including rolling up to depositions in a suit. Anyone trying to balance a messenger bag and a box of documents is a chump. And my socks are almost exclusively fun; I probably own plain black socks, but I would be more likely to clean with them than wear them.motojir wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:02 pmThere's always this guy:
https://biglawboiz.com/blogs/news/new-associate-needs
Work Clothes
CHARLES TYRWHITT OR TM LEWIN
Crazy cheap shirts. They have deals where you can get them for as little as $30/shirt. Plenty of fits, patterns and fabrics. At that price, you can replace them when you need to.
ENZO CUSTOM
This is where I get my suits. There is NOTHING like a custom suit. They start at a very reasonable price ~$500 and increase with upgrades to fabrics. It is definitely worth in investing in 2-4 nice suits. Our job is to be presentable in front of clients, the court and our employers. The initial price may suck, but they last for years, and to be honest you can afford it. Treat yourself. You are better than off the rack!
COVID LIFE
Go get yourself a shirt, sweatshirt or hat from the merch shop. Flex on the Zoom meetings. Also see athleisure below. Or go to Bloomies and get yourself some decent casual clothes. Don't be afraid to break the mold of the old you. Be bold.
SHOES
Skip the Gucci and Ferragamo. Cole Haan and Allen Edmonds are great starting points.
Allen Edmonds get the 5th ave or the Park ave. Simple shoes with a cap toe. Get at least one pair of brown, one pair of black, and make sure you match your leathers. Be wary of the factory seconds sale. Sometimes you can get lucky and get a perfect pair at a discount.
SOCKS
Make sure you have fresh socks. Calvin Kline, Gold Toe, whatever. Get some blue, black and grey. Skip the wild patterns. This isn’t a London trading floor.
Watch
You don’t need to roll up with a Rolex on day one. If you have a nice luxury watch that you like, then wear it. You don’t need to abide by that stupid rule that you must prove your worth before you wear an expensive watch. However, if you don’t have one, no need to go out and get one to fit in.
The Apple watch is becoming ever more prevalent among associates and partners alike. I personally don’t like having my fitness tracker double as a watch, but people love it and stand by it.
There are also great fashion watch options. I like MVMT. They make a nice simple watch face and they’re really affordable.
The dream is AP OpenWorks in Rose Gold. If anyone wants to be my sugar(daddy, mommy, brother, uncle, whatever), that is what I want.
Bag
Get yourself some decent luggage for when you travel. The AWAY bag is a classic. Hard shell, charger, carry on size.
Get a nice messenger bag. Something leather. School is over, no more backpacks. This isn’t tech.