they are unassigned for all first years, and first yrs get to do both corp and lit; mandating everyone to take on some corp work is pretty reasonable, imoAnonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:39 amI've heard that Latham has also mandated all first years to do some corp workAnonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:39 pmalso KirklandAnonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:18 pmSkaddenAnonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:54 pmI think I remember PW was doing this--which others?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:30 pmIt’s been discussed in other threads, but there are multiple v20 firms right now that are making first year lit associates permanently do corp work for 4-6 months or so
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Surprised to see cleary goes unmentioned - their New York office has been pushing litigation associate into corporate for more than a year now - first heard was in 2019. They push litigation associate into corporate groups every year.
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and this was also true for Simpson - heard they push lit associates into corp practices yearlyAnonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:44 pmSurprised to see cleary goes unmentioned - their New York office has been pushing litigation associate into corporate for more than a year now - first heard was in 2019. They push litigation associate into corporate groups every year.
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Outside of Wachtell, my friends at every other V10 have themselves been, or heard of their lit peers being, pushed into corp roles. I think in every instance, it was billed as a "temporary" thing but I know at least one guy who ended up having to do corp for over half a year.
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I'm also a Skadden litigation first year. It is true. You're out of the loop.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:25 amI'm a Skadden litigation first year, this isn't true.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:18 pmSkaddenAnonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:54 pmI think I remember PW was doing this--which others?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:30 pmIt’s been discussed in other threads, but there are multiple v20 firms right now that are making first year lit associates permanently do corp work for 4-6 months or so
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Also a junior associate at PW and can confirm that it’s true. No one volunteered so they reached out to people directly and “temporarily” put them on Corp teams.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:08 pmNot sure it's true that PW is making first-year lit associates do corp work. We were asked for volunteers to help with corp. Don't know about others, but I said I wasn't interested, and they seemed fine taking no for an answer - staffed me on decent lit assignments, didn't pressure me to do anything else.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:54 pmI think I remember PW was doing this--which others?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:30 pmIt’s been discussed in other threads, but there are multiple v20 firms right now that are making first year lit associates permanently do corp work for 4-6 months or so
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Seconding this. Several friends have complained about being blindsided by this exact situation to meAnonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:57 pmI'm also a Skadden litigation first year. It is true. You're out of the loop.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:25 amI'm a Skadden litigation first year, this isn't true.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:18 pmSkaddenAnonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:54 pmI think I remember PW was doing this--which others?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:30 pmIt’s been discussed in other threads, but there are multiple v20 firms right now that are making first year lit associates permanently do corp work for 4-6 months or so
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It’s ballsy for first years to turn down work, even if it’s corporate work the associate doesn’t want to do. If the firm has a record of you turning down corporate work and you end up finishing the year with like 1700 hours, you will probably get some talk about not being a team player at your annual review.
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Has S&C done this?
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Must be an office by office thing then. All lit first years in my office are swamped with lit work...Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:32 pmSeconding this. Several friends have complained about being blindsided by this exact situation to meAnonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:57 pmI'm also a Skadden litigation first year. It is true. You're out of the loop.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:25 amI'm a Skadden litigation first year, this isn't true.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:18 pmSkaddenAnonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:54 pmI think I remember PW was doing this--which others?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:30 pmIt’s been discussed in other threads, but there are multiple v20 firms right now that are making first year lit associates permanently do corp work for 4-6 months or so
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(PW first year who didn't want to do corporate work here)2013 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:40 pmIt’s ballsy for first years to turn down work, even if it’s corporate work the associate doesn’t want to do. If the firm has a record of you turning down corporate work and you end up finishing the year with like 1700 hours, you will probably get some talk about not being a team player at your annual review.
I didn't flat-out refuse. I said something along the lines of "Of course I'll help out if needed, but I'd really prefer to stick with litigation." They didn't press the issue at all, which makes me surprised to hear that they may be forcing other first-years to do corporate work. Or it makes me wonder if some other litigation associates are afraid to even say "I'd rather do something else" and then saying they're being forced to do corp work.
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If you’re busy that’s fine, and good for you for doing that. I’m just used to first years who usually don’t say anything resembling a “no” to anything.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:35 pm(PW first year who didn't want to do corporate work here)2013 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:40 pmIt’s ballsy for first years to turn down work, even if it’s corporate work the associate doesn’t want to do. If the firm has a record of you turning down corporate work and you end up finishing the year with like 1700 hours, you will probably get some talk about not being a team player at your annual review.
I didn't flat-out refuse. I said something along the lines of "Of course I'll help out if needed, but I'd really prefer to stick with litigation." They didn't press the issue at all, which makes me surprised to hear that they may be forcing other first-years to do corporate work. Or it makes me wonder if some other litigation associates are afraid to even say "I'd rather do something else" and then saying they're being forced to do corp work.
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Well heck, now I'm worried I rubbed somebody the wrong way! I just took it at face value when they asked if I was "interested in taking on some corporate work." I'm about as busy as other first-years, so hopefully it doesn't come back to bite me.2013 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:45 pmIf you’re busy that’s fine, and good for you for doing that. I’m just used to first years who usually don’t say anything resembling a “no” to anything.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:35 pm(PW first year who didn't want to do corporate work here)2013 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:40 pmIt’s ballsy for first years to turn down work, even if it’s corporate work the associate doesn’t want to do. If the firm has a record of you turning down corporate work and you end up finishing the year with like 1700 hours, you will probably get some talk about not being a team player at your annual review.
I didn't flat-out refuse. I said something along the lines of "Of course I'll help out if needed, but I'd really prefer to stick with litigation." They didn't press the issue at all, which makes me surprised to hear that they may be forcing other first-years to do corporate work. Or it makes me wonder if some other litigation associates are afraid to even say "I'd rather do something else" and then saying they're being forced to do corp work.
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Can't hire enough laterals? It's first year work. We had temps do this shit. Many firms have had their 3Ls do it. Give me a week and I could train the whole cafeteria to change names and dates and review sig page footers.Mullens wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:18 pmDoesn’t seem particularly newsworthy? Corporate practice is on fire and firms can’t hire enough laterals to do all the work. Repurposing the bodies they have makes perfect sense. Same thing happened with bankruptcy a year ago.
Can’t believe all you lit first years think you’re too good to do corporate work for a few months to help your classmates.
Firms are welcome to try and repurpose whichever lit associates will help, but associates are also welcome to tell the firms to go fuck themselves. You don't owe shit to your classmates just because your cheap-ass firm underhired, and you certainly don't owe shit to a firm which, by the way, is gonna come back to you in a year or two complaining that you don't have any lit skills.
Your firm will lay associates off en masse when it doesn't need them anymore (a dozen years ago, it probably did). Don't do them any favors now unless it advances your career and your goals.
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