Which partners at your firms are notoriously terrible to work for? Forum

[Anonymous User]

Love how this thread has gone far enough off track that we're debating and discussing firm treatment of holidays. FWIW, I think every religious (or no religious) holiday should be recognized to the same degree.

From my experience, V10 NYC, only the Jewish holidays are truly respected because of the fact that observers aren't "allowed" to do work, whereas any other holiday (including most importantly Easter) are up for debate or at least welcome to emails (but of course, no one would ever ask/expect the Jewish associate/partner to work/cover for you on those days). It's an incredible double standard that I'm frustrated by, year after year, particularly when I cover for people every single Friday night/Saturday without being asked to, just the very clear expectation.

To stay on track, answer to the question is often the partners who expect you to cover for them, constantly, without a thank you.

[Anonymous User]

Love how this thread has gone far enough off track that we're debating and discussing firm treatment of holidays. FWIW, I think every religious (or no religious) holiday should be recognized to the same degree.

From my experience, V10 NYC, only the Jewish holidays are truly respected because of the fact that observers aren't "allowed" to do work, whereas any other holiday (including most importantly Easter) are up for debate or at least welcome to emails (but of course, no one would ever ask/expect the Jewish associate/partner to work/cover for you on those days). It's an incredible double standard that I'm frustrated by, year after year, particularly when I cover for people every single Friday night/Saturday without being asked to, just the very clear expectation.

To stay on track, answer to the question is often the partners who expect you to cover for them, constantly, without a thank you.

Yeah to get back to reference here - KE Real Estate is toxic, avoid it. Among many many other reasons, a disrespect for Muslim religious holidays was, anecdotally, one of the examples provided. To be clear, the group is horrific for a myriad of other reasons.

[Anonymous User]

Love how this thread has gone far enough off track that we're debating and discussing firm treatment of holidays. FWIW, I think every religious (or no religious) holiday should be recognized to the same degree.

From my experience, V10 NYC, only the Jewish holidays are truly respected because of the fact that observers aren't "allowed" to do work, whereas any other holiday (including most importantly Easter) are up for debate or at least welcome to emails (but of course, no one would ever ask/expect the Jewish associate/partner to work/cover for you on those days). It's an incredible double standard that I'm frustrated by, year after year, particularly when I cover for people every single Friday night/Saturday without being asked to, just the very clear expectation.

To stay on track, answer to the question is often the partners who expect you to cover for them, constantly, without a thank you.

This is accurate in my experience.

[Anonymous User]

Love how this thread has gone far enough off track that we're debating and discussing firm treatment of holidays. FWIW, I think every religious (or no religious) holiday should be recognized to the same degree.

From my experience, V10 NYC, only the Jewish holidays are truly respected because of the fact that observers aren't "allowed" to do work, whereas any other holiday (including most importantly Easter) are up for debate or at least welcome to emails (but of course, no one would ever ask/expect the Jewish associate/partner to work/cover for you on those days). It's an incredible double standard that I'm frustrated by, year after year, particularly when I cover for people every single Friday night/Saturday without being asked to, just the very clear expectation.

To stay on track, answer to the question is often the partners who expect you to cover for them, constantly, without a thank you.

This is accurate in my experience.

There should be just “retreat” days for everyone to also respect spiritual non-religious people and provide the same benefit to atheists. I’m happy for sincere Jewish colleagues observing sabbath/etc. Days should just be given to everyone.

[Anonymous User]

Love how this thread has gone far enough off track that we're debating and discussing firm treatment of holidays. FWIW, I think every religious (or no religious) holiday should be recognized to the same degree.

From my experience, V10 NYC, only the Jewish holidays are truly respected because of the fact that observers aren't "allowed" to do work, whereas any other holiday (including most importantly Easter) are up for debate or at least welcome to emails (but of course, no one would ever ask/expect the Jewish associate/partner to work/cover for you on those days). It's an incredible double standard that I'm frustrated by, year after year, particularly when I cover for people every single Friday night/Saturday without being asked to, just the very clear expectation.

To stay on track, answer to the question is often the partners who expect you to cover for them, constantly, without a thank you.

This is accurate in my experience.

There should be just “retreat” days for everyone to also respect spiritual non-religious people and provide the same benefit to atheists. I’m happy for sincere Jewish colleagues observing sabbath/etc. Days should just be given to everyone.

But religious holidays aren't just like bonus vacation days - presumably if you're taking a religious holiday off, it's because you are engaged in some kind of observance of the holiday (attending a service, etc.). I suppose if a spiritual but not religious person had some occasion they wanted to observe, this might make sense, but it's hard to think what that would be. This is like the argument you often hear from (usually) associates with no kids about how it's "unfair" that associates receive certain benefits they don't (like parental leave). It's about equity not one-size-fits-all.

[Anonymous User]

Love how this thread has gone far enough off track that we're debating and discussing firm treatment of holidays. FWIW, I think every religious (or no religious) holiday should be recognized to the same degree.

From my experience, V10 NYC, only the Jewish holidays are truly respected because of the fact that observers aren't "allowed" to do work, whereas any other holiday (including most importantly Easter) are up for debate or at least welcome to emails (but of course, no one would ever ask/expect the Jewish associate/partner to work/cover for you on those days). It's an incredible double standard that I'm frustrated by, year after year, particularly when I cover for people every single Friday night/Saturday without being asked to, just the very clear expectation.

To stay on track, answer to the question is often the partners who expect you to cover for them, constantly, without a thank you.

This is accurate in my experience.

There should be just “retreat” days for everyone to also respect spiritual non-religious people and provide the same benefit to atheists. I’m happy for sincere Jewish colleagues observing sabbath/etc. Days should just be given to everyone.

But religious holidays aren't just like bonus vacation days - presumably if you're taking a religious holiday off, it's because you are engaged in some kind of observance of the holiday (attending a service, etc.). I suppose if a spiritual but not religious person had some occasion they wanted to observe, this might make sense, but it's hard to think what that would be. This is like the argument you often hear from (usually) associates with no kids about how it's "unfair" that associates receive certain benefits they don't (like parental leave). It's about equity not one-size-fits-all.

[Anonymous User]

Love how this thread has gone far enough off track that we're debating and discussing firm treatment of holidays. FWIW, I think every religious (or no religious) holiday should be recognized to the same degree.

From my experience, V10 NYC, only the Jewish holidays are truly respected because of the fact that observers aren't "allowed" to do work, whereas any other holiday (including most importantly Easter) are up for debate or at least welcome to emails (but of course, no one would ever ask/expect the Jewish associate/partner to work/cover for you on those days). It's an incredible double standard that I'm frustrated by, year after year, particularly when I cover for people every single Friday night/Saturday without being asked to, just the very clear expectation.

To stay on track, answer to the question is often the partners who expect you to cover for them, constantly, without a thank you.

This is accurate in my experience.

There should be just “retreat” days for everyone to also respect spiritual non-religious people and provide the same benefit to atheists. I’m happy for sincere Jewish colleagues observing sabbath/etc. Days should just be given to everyone.

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[Anonymous User]

Love how this thread has gone far enough off track that we're debating and discussing firm treatment of holidays. FWIW, I think every religious (or no religious) holiday should be recognized to the same degree.

From my experience, V10 NYC, only the Jewish holidays are truly respected because of the fact that observers aren't "allowed" to do work, whereas any other holiday (including most importantly Easter) are up for debate or at least welcome to emails (but of course, no one would ever ask/expect the Jewish associate/partner to work/cover for you on those days). It's an incredible double standard that I'm frustrated by, year after year, particularly when I cover for people every single Friday night/Saturday without being asked to, just the very clear expectation.

To stay on track, answer to the question is often the partners who expect you to cover for them, constantly, without a thank you.

This is accurate in my experience.

There should be just “retreat” days for everyone to also respect spiritual non-religious people and provide the same benefit to atheists. I’m happy for sincere Jewish colleagues observing sabbath/etc. Days should just be given to everyone.

Duplicate post deleted.

[Anonymous User]

Love how this thread has gone far enough off track that we're debating and discussing firm treatment of holidays. FWIW, I think every religious (or no religious) holiday should be recognized to the same degree.

From my experience, V10 NYC, only the Jewish holidays are truly respected because of the fact that observers aren't "allowed" to do work, whereas any other holiday (including most importantly Easter) are up for debate or at least welcome to emails (but of course, no one would ever ask/expect the Jewish associate/partner to work/cover for you on those days). It's an incredible double standard that I'm frustrated by, year after year, particularly when I cover for people every single Friday night/Saturday without being asked to, just the very clear expectation.

To stay on track, answer to the question is often the partners who expect you to cover for them, constantly, without a thank you.

I am Sabbath observant and make very clear to colleagues that I am available to cover on Christmas, New Year's, Easter, etc. The truth is, there usually isn't as much work to cover on those days, since most clients/partners are out. However, I'm not sure why if something came up, you wouldn't ask the Jewish associate/partner. I think it is entirely appropriate. People have asked me to cover during these times at both big firms I have been at, and I was happy to do so.

[Helicopter]

Cool.

Go create a sabbath post or whatever.

Name drop Partners and Firm Names and spill the tea.

[BigLawtookmysoul]

Any info on K&E investment funds?

[Anonymous User]

I'm glad we turned a useful thread about specific toxic partners into a bash-the-Jews pile on. Nice work everyone.

[Anonymous User]

Lol I just want the world to know how horrible the KE NY real estate group is and how unbelievably toxic and racist/sexist the partners there are. If you are a law student or junior associate, avoid avoid avoid!

But the real question is: Do they look like they were the kids stuffed in lockers in high school and/or did they go to mediocre law schools?

[Anonymous User]

Not sure if this name has been brought up yet, but I've heard from a reliable source that Marni Lerner at Simpson was extremely difficult - borderline toxic- to work with.

[Anonymous User]

Not sure if this name has been brought up yet, but I've heard from a reliable source that Marni Lerner at Simpson was extremely difficult - borderline toxic- to work with.

Lol I've worked across from her. This doesn't surprise me at all.

[Anonymous User]

Not sure if this name has been brought up yet, but I've heard from a reliable source that Marni Lerner at Simpson was extremely difficult - borderline toxic- to work with.

Lol I've worked across from her. This doesn't surprise me at all.

Same.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone at K&L Gates?

Anon because relationship to the firm.

[Anonymous User]

I'm glad we turned a useful thread about specific toxic partners into a bash-the-Jews pile on. Nice work everyone.

relax

[Anonymous User]

Not sure if this name has been brought up yet, but I've heard from a reliable source that Marni Lerner at Simpson was extremely difficult - borderline toxic- to work with.

If by “borderline” you mean so far over the line into toxic that she’s basically in the next country, then sure. It was a mark of honor in STB M&A a few years ago for Marni to have given you a bad review/tried to fire you as a first or second year - at some point it happened to basically everyone who made partner.

[Anonymous User]

Love how this thread has gone far enough off track that we're debating and discussing firm treatment of holidays. FWIW, I think every religious (or no religious) holiday should be recognized to the same degree.

From my experience, V10 NYC, only the Jewish holidays are truly respected because of the fact that observers aren't "allowed" to do work, whereas any other holiday (including most importantly Easter) are up for debate or at least welcome to emails (but of course, no one would ever ask/expect the Jewish associate/partner to work/cover for you on those days). It's an incredible double standard that I'm frustrated by, year after year, particularly when I cover for people every single Friday night/Saturday without being asked to, just the very clear expectation.

To stay on track, answer to the question is often the partners who expect you to cover for them, constantly, without a thank you.

Genuinely not sure if the sarcasm here is frustration aimed at the partners treatment of holidays or simple antisemitism. Sounds like the ladder.

And for the record, every religious Jewish associate I've worked with has been more than willing to cover for me Easter, Thanksgiving, New years etc and has done so when the need arose. And I am happy to cover for them for shabbat and their holidays.

[Anonymous User]

Not sure if this name has been brought up yet, but I've heard from a reliable source that Marni Lerner at Simpson was extremely difficult - borderline toxic- to work with.

If by “borderline” you mean so far over the line into toxic that she’s basically in the next country, then sure. It was a mark of honor in STB M&A a few years ago for Marni to have given you a bad review/tried to fire you as a first or second year - at some point it happened to basically everyone who made partner.

Kinda feel like if you are dumb enough to pick STB M&A you get what you deserve. Informed consent.

[Anonymous User]

Not sure if this name has been brought up yet, but I've heard from a reliable source that Marni Lerner at Simpson was extremely difficult - borderline toxic- to work with.

If by “borderline” you mean so far over the line into toxic that she’s basically in the next country, then sure. It was a mark of honor in STB M&A a few years ago for Marni to have given you a bad review/tried to fire you as a first or second year - at some point it happened to basically everyone who made partner.

Kinda feel like if you are dumb enough to pick STB M&A you get what you deserve. Informed consent.

[Anonymous User]

Not sure if this name has been brought up yet, but I've heard from a reliable source that Marni Lerner at Simpson was extremely difficult - borderline toxic- to work with.

If by “borderline” you mean so far over the line into toxic that she’s basically in the next country, then sure. It was a mark of honor in STB M&A a few years ago for Marni to have given you a bad review/tried to fire you as a first or second year - at some point it happened to basically everyone who made partner.

Kinda feel like if you are dumb enough to pick STB M&A you get what you deserve. Informed consent.

I did once listen to her openly berate her associate (now a partner) on a call with her client.

[Anonymous User]

Any info on partners at Jones Day in Dallas?

[Anonymous User]

Seems like the vast vast majority of these partners are in corporate practices. Are litigation partners just nicer/more reasonable, or does TLS just lean corporate?