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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Hmm it seems that summer classes did not shrink like people were saying

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Howard Law placed 43/133 (32%) into firms 250+/FedClerks for c/o 2019, and according to this thread is placing 18 students into Davis Polk, Hogan Lovells and Paul Weiss NY alone this summer? Do these firms regularly hire a big chunk of Howard Biglaw summers or something?

Someone come remind me about this when c/o 2022 employment stats are published. I promise to laugh a lot at GULC (53% in 2019) if Howard outplaced them.

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Howard Law placed 43/133 (32%) into firms 250+/FedClerks for c/o 2019, and according to this thread is placing 18 students into Davis Polk, Hogan Lovells and Paul Weiss NY alone this summer? Do these firms regularly hire a big chunk of Howard Biglaw summers or something?

Someone come remind me about this when c/o 2022 employment stats are published. I promise to laugh a lot at GULC (53% in 2019) if Howard outplaced them.
I mean...firms are pretty transparently trying to diversify, for some obvious reasons. Being top third of Howard is probably a tremendous place to be in current OCIs.

Re: GULC, I’d love to laugh about that too. Nothing against GULCers but I have personal reasons for wanting to see GULC eat shit.

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Huh, 12 Canadians? Interesting
Paul Weiss hires plentiful Canadian students these years - their summer last year also hired 10-12 Canadian law students (out of 90 ppl class size), which is approximately the same size with NYU and HLS. They seem to be the only firm that does that (probs bc they are one of the few v10s with a Toronto office, the only other one is skadden, i think?) as they have more demand from their Canadian business

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:27 pm
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:11 pm
Howard Law placed 43/133 (32%) into firms 250+/FedClerks for c/o 2019, and according to this thread is placing 18 students into Davis Polk, Hogan Lovells and Paul Weiss NY alone this summer? Do these firms regularly hire a big chunk of Howard Biglaw summers or something?

Someone come remind me about this when c/o 2022 employment stats are published. I promise to laugh a lot at GULC (53% in 2019) if Howard outplaced them.
I mean...firms are pretty transparently trying to diversify, for some obvious reasons. Being top third of Howard is probably a tremendous place to be in current OCIs.

Re: GULC, I’d love to laugh about that too. Nothing against GULCers but I have personal reasons for wanting to see GULC eat shit.
This is true, especially after the shit PW got after their all-white and mostly male partner class not too long ago (NYT reported). Great to see the firms finally taking more initiatives on diversity issues

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/us/p ... -firm.html

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:38 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:27 pm
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:11 pm
Howard Law placed 43/133 (32%) into firms 250+/FedClerks for c/o 2019, and according to this thread is placing 18 students into Davis Polk, Hogan Lovells and Paul Weiss NY alone this summer? Do these firms regularly hire a big chunk of Howard Biglaw summers or something?

Someone come remind me about this when c/o 2022 employment stats are published. I promise to laugh a lot at GULC (53% in 2019) if Howard outplaced them.
I mean...firms are pretty transparently trying to diversify, for some obvious reasons. Being top third of Howard is probably a tremendous place to be in current OCIs.

Re: GULC, I’d love to laugh about that too. Nothing against GULCers but I have personal reasons for wanting to see GULC eat shit.
This is true, especially after the shit PW got after their all-white and mostly male partner class not too long ago (NYT reported). Great to see the firms finally taking more initiatives on diversity issues

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/us/p ... -firm.html
I could see firms dipping below median at Howard this year (and in future years).

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Move aside, UCLA/GULC/whatever, Howard to T14. You heard it here first, folks.

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

Post by Monochromatic Oeuvre » Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:57 pm

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Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:27 pm
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:11 pm
Howard Law placed 43/133 (32%) into firms 250+/FedClerks for c/o 2019, and according to this thread is placing 18 students into Davis Polk, Hogan Lovells and Paul Weiss NY alone this summer? Do these firms regularly hire a big chunk of Howard Biglaw summers or something?

Someone come remind me about this when c/o 2022 employment stats are published. I promise to laugh a lot at GULC (53% in 2019) if Howard outplaced them.
I mean...firms are pretty transparently trying to diversify, for some obvious reasons. Being top third of Howard is probably a tremendous place to be in current OCIs.

Re: GULC, I’d love to laugh about that too. Nothing against GULCers but I have personal reasons for wanting to see GULC eat shit.
I thought about this and decided it would hard to disentangle any potential effects of those efforts from general market conditions and year-to-year variance (especially given the small sample sizes). Can say the Howard c/o 2019 outcomes are only a few percentage points between than c/o 2017 and 2018. Whether it was very different for c/o 2020, 2021 or 2022, I can't say. Hard to compare in some sense because none of the other HBCUs place in Biglaw to any meaningful degree (maybe firms are content to only interview at the "best" HBCU?), but Howard definitely gets more firm OCI visits, and job placements, than similarly ranked schools. I would be interested to compare to URM hiring from T14s, if such data ever existed.

In any event, whatever firms choose to do, I always endorse whatever the best option for a student is. GULC has been trying to pass off its shitty placement stats as "elite" for years and is literally twice the price of Howard, so I will indeed enjoy laughing if they wind up second in their own city.

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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2013 wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:10 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:38 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:27 pm
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:11 pm
Howard Law placed 43/133 (32%) into firms 250+/FedClerks for c/o 2019, and according to this thread is placing 18 students into Davis Polk, Hogan Lovells and Paul Weiss NY alone this summer? Do these firms regularly hire a big chunk of Howard Biglaw summers or something?

Someone come remind me about this when c/o 2022 employment stats are published. I promise to laugh a lot at GULC (53% in 2019) if Howard outplaced them.
I mean...firms are pretty transparently trying to diversify, for some obvious reasons. Being top third of Howard is probably a tremendous place to be in current OCIs.

Re: GULC, I’d love to laugh about that too. Nothing against GULCers but I have personal reasons for wanting to see GULC eat shit.
This is true, especially after the shit PW got after their all-white and mostly male partner class not too long ago (NYT reported). Great to see the firms finally taking more initiatives on diversity issues

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/us/p ... -firm.html
I could see firms dipping below median at Howard this year (and in future years).
Howard LSAT median: 151

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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cisscum wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:06 am
2013 wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:10 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:38 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:27 pm
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:11 pm
Howard Law placed 43/133 (32%) into firms 250+/FedClerks for c/o 2019, and according to this thread is placing 18 students into Davis Polk, Hogan Lovells and Paul Weiss NY alone this summer? Do these firms regularly hire a big chunk of Howard Biglaw summers or something?

Someone come remind me about this when c/o 2022 employment stats are published. I promise to laugh a lot at GULC (53% in 2019) if Howard outplaced them.
I mean...firms are pretty transparently trying to diversify, for some obvious reasons. Being top third of Howard is probably a tremendous place to be in current OCIs.

Re: GULC, I’d love to laugh about that too. Nothing against GULCers but I have personal reasons for wanting to see GULC eat shit.
This is true, especially after the shit PW got after their all-white and mostly male partner class not too long ago (NYT reported). Great to see the firms finally taking more initiatives on diversity issues

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/us/p ... -firm.html
I could see firms dipping below median at Howard this year (and in future years).
Howard LSAT median: 151
Howard's placement is 100% b/c of diversity. (Not to say the students aren't qualified frankly given the low level of intellectual rigor that BL really has). But this Howard circlejerk is pointless given that anyone who isn't a URM won't get BL from a school like Howard or its peers.

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

Post by Monochromatic Oeuvre » Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:54 am

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Howard's placement is 100% b/c of diversity. (Not to say the students aren't qualified frankly given the low level of intellectual rigor that BL really has). But this Howard circlejerk is pointless given that anyone who isn't a URM won't get BL from a school like Howard or its peers.
Well, Howard is almost uniformly black or multiracial, so non-URMs aren't particularly relevant to them. And I would say it doesn't really have peer schools, since none of the other HBCUs have any meaningful placement stats and similarly ranked schools don't have nearly the same placement or purpose.

I thought it was noteworthy that they had 18 summers for those three firms alone. If it turns out that maybe you actually have a pretty good shot at Biglaw from there, that would be relevant info for prospective students.

But you're right, this isn't a Howard thread and I have absolutely 0% interest in using this thread to discuss diversity issues.

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Bump for more lists. A large majority of the V100 have announced their summer plans, so there ought to be more class lists floating around out there.

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Hogan Lovells (74)

Baltimore (3)
University of Maryland (2)
Harvard

Denver (4)
University of Colorado (2)
Wash U
University of Denver

Houston (4)
Harvard (2)
UVA
USC

Los Angeles (5)
UCLA (2)
Loyola (2)
USC

Miami (2)
UChicago
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UPenn (2)
NYU
Georgetown
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UVA
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UVA
Georgetown
William & Mary
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UPenn
Wash U
Temple

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Michigan (2)
Duke (2)
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Stanford
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wow hogan actually cut down their NY summer class while other firms are expanding their NY summer class due to business need.

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Cooley - 146 (1Ls and 2Ls)

Boston (17)
BU (6)
Harvard (4)
Northeastern (3)
BC (2)
Wash U
William & Mary

Colorado (4)
Duke (2)
Northwestern
U of Denver

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GWU (4)
Yale (3)
GULC (3)
Northwestern (2)
UVA
NYU
UPenn
Stanford

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Harvard (2)
Stanford
UCLA

NYC (29)
Harvard (5)
NYU (5)
Penn (3)
Yale (2)
Columbia (2)
Duke (2)
Fordham (2)
U Chicago
Michigan
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Columbia
Penn
Yale
GULC

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William & Mary
Washington & Lee

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UVA
USC
Northwestern
Penn
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UC Davis
UC Irvine
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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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If I’m reading NALP right, that’s a record sized class for Cooley. Much larger than last year. Good for them!

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Cooley - 146 (1Ls and 2Ls)

Seattle (2)
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Wash U not UW? Must have had hella ties

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Previous anon here, oops. Fixed.
Wash U not UW? Must have had hella ties

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Shearman & Sterling

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Maryland (2)
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GW (1)
Harvard (1)
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Northwestern (1)
Texas Southern (1)
UVA (1)
William & Mary (1)
Yale (1)

DC
Georgetown (1)
GW (1)
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Needing 24 schools to fill a 38-person NY class is even more TTT than their casino font.

Just do 10 OCIs, reroute mass mail resumes into a spam folder, and give your recruiting staff October off.

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Hmm it seems that summer classes did not shrink like people were saying
Yeah it was baffling to see people spread this around in the OCI threads. Could not be further from the truth

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
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Shearman & Sterling

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Cornell (3)
NYU (3)
St. John's (3)
Boston University (2)
Columbia (2)
Fordham (2)
Maryland (2)
Michigan (2)
Penn (2)
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Duke (1)
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GW (1)
Harvard (1)
Indiana (1)
Northwestern (1)
Texas Southern (1)
UVA (1)
William & Mary (1)
Yale (1)

DC
Georgetown (1)
GW (1)
UVA (2)
Needing 24 schools to fill a 38-person NY class is even more TTT than their casino font.

Just do 10 OCIs, reroute mass mail resumes into a spam folder, and give your recruiting staff October off.
Looks like Shearman had a no more than 3 per school policy

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Hmm it seems that summer classes did not shrink like people were saying
Yeah it was baffling to see people spread this around in the OCI threads. Could not be further from the truth
In NYC, for sure. Less so in some other markets.

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Hmm it seems that summer classes did not shrink like people were saying
Yeah it was baffling to see people spread this around in the OCI threads. Could not be further from the truth
IIRC it's firms in the midlaw tier that cut everything down. Generic v50 NYC biglaw isn't cutting classes but shops in Baltimore, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, etc., it's a lot dicier so if you were top 25% or whatever at a regional school or a median T10 student looking to go back home, things were tougher.

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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Hmm it seems that summer classes did not shrink like people were saying
Yeah it was baffling to see people spread this around in the OCI threads. Could not be further from the truth
IIRC it's firms in the midlaw tier that cut everything down. Generic v50 NYC biglaw isn't cutting classes but shops in Baltimore, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, etc., it's a lot dicier so if you were top 25% or whatever at a regional school or a median T10 student looking to go back home, things were tougher.
I’d believe that, but a lot of the apocalyptic rhetoric a month or two ago was about “generic v50 NYC biglaw”

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Re: Summer Classes 2021 Edition

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I would say V10 NY lit either cut size or, at least, was far more selective than transactional from T6.

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