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I'm choosing CSM because rotation system focuses more on developing core litigation skillsets and less on substantive law (which can always be learned).Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:35 pmI am kind of torn between Cravath and Sullcrom. Primarily interested in white-collar and securities litigation. I feel like the only real difference between the two is their work assignment system. Any thoughts?
Cravath doesn't really do white collar, so that wouldn't be a great choice if white collar is important to you. https://chambers.com/guide/usa?publicat ... onId=12806Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:35 pmI am kind of torn between Cravath and Sullcrom. Primarily interested in white-collar and securities litigation. I feel like the only real difference between the two is their work assignment system. Any thoughts?
I know nothing about how to measure the financial health of a firm but even if it says nothing about a firm's monetary state, cravath ran a full summer program with full pay and S&C cancelled their program while giving summers partial pay and the option to take out a 10k loan on their future income. Even though both will probably run full programs this summer, it does shine a bit of light on how they operate when the going gets tough.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:35 pmI am kind of torn between Cravath and Sullcrom. Primarily interested in white-collar and securities litigation. I feel like the only real difference between the two is their work assignment system. Any thoughts?
Meh, I don't think this shines as much light as one would think. S&C famously owns the building they're in, and COVID has been quite famous for commercial rent disputes. If any of the cutting was to stay lean, it's because of that, not because there is anything fundamentally wrong with the S&C business.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:02 pmI know nothing about how to measure the financial health of a firm but even if it says nothing about a firm's monetary state, cravath ran a full summer program with full pay and S&C cancelled their program while giving summers partial pay and the option to take out a 10k loan on their future income. Even though both will probably run full programs this summer, it does shine a bit of light on how they operate when the going gets tough.
Can you/anyone else please explain Cravath’s rotation system? I heard from an associate that she is stuck doing tax work...(I don’t have anything against tax)Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:21 pmYou're gonna work your ass off at either place and prestige/exits are indistinguishable. Comes down completely to your intuition of fit based on meeting people at firm/who's going there from your school + do you think rotation vs more generalist is better for you?
I'm pretty sure that's not possible. CSM only rotates in corporate/lit. The specialists (i.e. tax, T&E, exec comp) are in their own teams and don't rotate. Look here: https://www.cravath.com/practices/index.html. If you land in corp/lit, you'd rotate within those sub-practices listed.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:15 pmCan you/anyone else please explain Cravath’s rotation system? I heard from an associate that she is stuck doing tax work...(I don’t have anything against tax)
CSM will tell you that you rotate every 1.5-2 years in a way that’s supposed to develop your career. In practice, a single person randomly shuffles you around depending on where there is need regardless of your career goals.Sackboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:56 pmI'm pretty sure that's not possible. CSM only rotates in corporate/lit. The specialists (i.e. tax, T&E, exec comp) are in their own teams and don't rotate. Look here: https://www.cravath.com/practices/index.html. If you land in corp/lit, you'd rotate within those sub-practices listed.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:15 pmCan you/anyone else please explain Cravath’s rotation system? I heard from an associate that she is stuck doing tax work...(I don’t have anything against tax)
OP here. Thanks. Any insights on how S&C’s generalist system works in practice?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:29 amCSM will tell you that you rotate every 1.5-2 years in a way that’s supposed to develop your career. In practice, a single person randomly shuffles you around depending on where there is need regardless of your career goals.Sackboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:56 pmI'm pretty sure that's not possible. CSM only rotates in corporate/lit. The specialists (i.e. tax, T&E, exec comp) are in their own teams and don't rotate. Look here: https://www.cravath.com/practices/index.html. If you land in corp/lit, you'd rotate within those sub-practices listed.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:15 pmCan you/anyone else please explain Cravath’s rotation system? I heard from an associate that she is stuck doing tax work...(I don’t have anything against tax)
Bump.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:35 amOP here. Thanks. Any insights on how S&C’s generalist system works in practice?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:29 amCSM will tell you that you rotate every 1.5-2 years in a way that’s supposed to develop your career. In practice, a single person randomly shuffles you around depending on where there is need regardless of your career goals.Sackboy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 11:56 pmI'm pretty sure that's not possible. CSM only rotates in corporate/lit. The specialists (i.e. tax, T&E, exec comp) are in their own teams and don't rotate. Look here: https://www.cravath.com/practices/index.html. If you land in corp/lit, you'd rotate within those sub-practices listed.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:15 pmCan you/anyone else please explain Cravath’s rotation system? I heard from an associate that she is stuck doing tax work...(I don’t have anything against tax)