DPW HK vs White & Case NY?
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:13 am
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Maybe OP likes hosting visitorsAnonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:48 pmDo you want to live in a flawed democracy where you can speak your mind without fear of arrest, or an authoritarian dictatorship where one slip of the tongue can result in an unexpected knock on your door in the middle of the night? That would heavily color my decision.
Unfortunately, DPW offer will expire before OCI, and according to my school data W&C's GPA average matches mine.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:08 pmAgree with the other poster that you should wait until after OCI to make a decision. DPW HK is pretty selective and definitely no less selective than DPW NY. If you can get an offer from DPW HK, chances are you can get something better than White & Case NY.
Quoted anon here. I was in the same boat two summers ago and I asked a lot of people this question. Two things:p910 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:04 pmUnfortunately, DPW offer will expire before OCI, and according to my school data W&C's GPA average matches mine.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:08 pmAgree with the other poster that you should wait until after OCI to make a decision. DPW HK is pretty selective and definitely no less selective than DPW NY. If you can get an offer from DPW HK, chances are you can get something better than White & Case NY.
Is there any pitfalls, career wise, in starting in HK market? I'm leaning towards accepting DPW HK as it offers COLA on top of lockstep pay.
As someone who has lived in Hong Kong for almost a decade growing up, I find your self pretentious American conception of Hong Kong or China in general profoundly fragmented, ludicrous, and even miserable tbh.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:48 pmDo you want to live in a flawed democracy where you can speak your mind without fear of arrest, or an authoritarian dictatorship where one slip of the tongue can result in an unexpected knock on your door in the middle of the night? That would heavily color my decision.
The vast majority of their clients are actually mainland Chinese companies. These clients are going nowhere.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:49 pmI would be very hesitant to start in HK. Many companies (many of which DPW does work for) have or are planning to move out and relocate to other parts of Asia less vulnerable to CCP hegemony.
Which firm did you ended up choosing, if you don't mind answering, and why?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:27 pmQuoted anon here. I was in the same boat two summers ago and I asked a lot of people this question. Two things:p910 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:04 pmUnfortunately, DPW offer will expire before OCI, and according to my school data W&C's GPA average matches mine.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:08 pmAgree with the other poster that you should wait until after OCI to make a decision. DPW HK is pretty selective and definitely no less selective than DPW NY. If you can get an offer from DPW HK, chances are you can get something better than White & Case NY.
Is there any pitfalls, career wise, in starting in HK market? I'm leaning towards accepting DPW HK as it offers COLA on top of lockstep pay.The general perception is that the quality of work in the HK market is inferior. Coming back to the US might be difficult. Internal transfer is always possible but you will have to wait for an opportunity.
Corporate (especially capital markets) hours are significantly worse than NY. DPW HK has a small securities litigation/investigation/dispute settlement team in HK. If you are not dead set on corporate, talk to the litigation partners/associates.
Yes, clearly pretentious and miserable to criticize HK/China. Nothing to see re mass arrests happening right now.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:44 pmAs someone who has lived in Hong Kong for almost a decade growing up, I find your self pretentious American conception of Hong Kong or China in general profoundly fragmented, ludicrous, and even miserable tbh.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:48 pmDo you want to live in a flawed democracy where you can speak your mind without fear of arrest, or an authoritarian dictatorship where one slip of the tongue can result in an unexpected knock on your door in the middle of the night? That would heavily color my decision.
DPW Hong Kong is predominantly capital markets. Work culture is much worse than US but post tax earnings are much higher.
I grew up in HK and I lived in the US for more than 5 years. Just like many of my American friends, you think you know about HK/China but you don't know shit. I won't even waste my time trying to explain. But maybe you should be less pretentious and arrogant.midwestrocks wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:46 amYes, clearly pretentious and miserable to criticize HK/China. Nothing to see re mass arrests happening right now.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:44 pmAs someone who has lived in Hong Kong for almost a decade growing up, I find your self pretentious American conception of Hong Kong or China in general profoundly fragmented, ludicrous, and even miserable tbh.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:48 pmDo you want to live in a flawed democracy where you can speak your mind without fear of arrest, or an authoritarian dictatorship where one slip of the tongue can result in an unexpected knock on your door in the middle of the night? That would heavily color my decision.
DPW Hong Kong is predominantly capital markets. Work culture is much worse than US but post tax earnings are much higher.
If you grew up there and haven't been there for a long time, you will be in for a surprise. HK has lost its special status and is rapidly losing its freedoms, I would not be comfortable there any more. Look at what happened to the Canadians arrested for no reason after Meng Wenzhou was arrested, anyone can be a target, not just protesters. This has happened to Australians as well.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:09 pmI grew up in HK and I lived in the US for more than 5 years. Just like many of my American friends, you think you know about HK/China but you don't know shit. I won't even waste my time trying to explain. But maybe you should be less pretentious and arrogant.midwestrocks wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:46 amYes, clearly pretentious and miserable to criticize HK/China. Nothing to see re mass arrests happening right now.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:44 pmAs someone who has lived in Hong Kong for almost a decade growing up, I find your self pretentious American conception of Hong Kong or China in general profoundly fragmented, ludicrous, and even miserable tbh.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:48 pmDo you want to live in a flawed democracy where you can speak your mind without fear of arrest, or an authoritarian dictatorship where one slip of the tongue can result in an unexpected knock on your door in the middle of the night? That would heavily color my decision.
DPW Hong Kong is predominantly capital markets. Work culture is much worse than US but post tax earnings are much higher.
Risk of arrest is a rational consideration in deciding between firms. Is the CCP a sponsor of the site?nealric wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:07 pmModerator note: please refrain from discussing the politics of HK and keep the discussion to the relative merits of the OP's decision. If something political would have a specific impact on the OP's choice, you can talk about it- but please keep it specific and on point.
You can discuss the politics of HK all you want in the off topic forum. A generalized reference to the political situation is fine, but I think we are past that now.eastcoast_iub wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:13 pmRisk of arrest is a rational consideration in deciding between firms. Is the CCP a sponsor of the site?nealric wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:07 pmModerator note: please refrain from discussing the politics of HK and keep the discussion to the relative merits of the OP's decision. If something political would have a specific impact on the OP's choice, you can talk about it- but please keep it specific and on point.
My other choice was a NYC V10 so it was easier to make a decision. If I were you I'd probably still go for White & Case NY or whatever better offer you get from OCI. It's always much easier to relocate to HK from NYC if that's what you want to do down the line. It's significantly more difficult the other way around. Unless you have a personal reason to start out in HK, I would recommend against it.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:41 pmWhich firm did you ended up choosing, if you don't mind answering, and why?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:27 pmQuoted anon here. I was in the same boat two summers ago and I asked a lot of people this question. Two things:p910 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:04 pmUnfortunately, DPW offer will expire before OCI, and according to my school data W&C's GPA average matches mine.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:08 pmAgree with the other poster that you should wait until after OCI to make a decision. DPW HK is pretty selective and definitely no less selective than DPW NY. If you can get an offer from DPW HK, chances are you can get something better than White & Case NY.
Is there any pitfalls, career wise, in starting in HK market? I'm leaning towards accepting DPW HK as it offers COLA on top of lockstep pay.The general perception is that the quality of work in the HK market is inferior. Coming back to the US might be difficult. Internal transfer is always possible but you will have to wait for an opportunity.
Corporate (especially capital markets) hours are significantly worse than NY. DPW HK has a small securities litigation/investigation/dispute settlement team in HK. If you are not dead set on corporate, talk to the litigation partners/associates.
eastcoast_iub wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:29 pmToday is a disgrace to the country. No doubt about it. And Trump and his enablers bear full responsibility. But they are not our country. We don't know all the facts yet, but I would bet you she was armed or otherwise posing a serious threat to law enforcement. At least in the U.S. you won't be involuntarily rendered for calling out a despicable politician like Trump though.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:44 pmA woman political dissident was shot today in capitol building. Do you really think the US is any better than HK ??? HK police would never shoot their own people.eastcoast_iub wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:51 pmIf you grew up there and haven't been there for a long time, you will be in for a surprise. HK has lost its special status and is rapidly losing its freedoms, I would not be comfortable there any more. Look at what happened to the Canadians arrested for no reason after Meng Wenzhou was arrested, anyone can be a target, not just protesters. This has happened to Australians as well.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:09 pmI grew up in HK and I lived in the US for more than 5 years. Just like many of my American friends, you think you know about HK/China but you don't know shit. I won't even waste my time trying to explain. But maybe you should be less pretentious and arrogant.midwestrocks wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:46 amYes, clearly pretentious and miserable to criticize HK/China. Nothing to see re mass arrests happening right now.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 3:44 pmAs someone who has lived in Hong Kong for almost a decade growing up, I find your self pretentious American conception of Hong Kong or China in general profoundly fragmented, ludicrous, and even miserable tbh.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:48 pmDo you want to live in a flawed democracy where you can speak your mind without fear of arrest, or an authoritarian dictatorship where one slip of the tongue can result in an unexpected knock on your door in the middle of the night? That would heavily color my decision.
DPW Hong Kong is predominantly capital markets. Work culture is much worse than US but post tax earnings are much higher.
What is it exactly that we're missing about this beacon of freedom, please enlighten us?
nealric wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:23 pmYou can discuss the politics of HK all you want in the off topic forum. A generalized reference to the political situation is fine, but I think we are past that now.eastcoast_iub wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:13 pmRisk of arrest is a rational consideration in deciding between firms. Is the CCP a sponsor of the site?nealric wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:07 pmModerator note: please refrain from discussing the politics of HK and keep the discussion to the relative merits of the OP's decision. If something political would have a specific impact on the OP's choice, you can talk about it- but please keep it specific and on point.