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They rejected you after a Pre-OCI interview and told you not to apply to them during OCI too?consolidation058 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:26 pmIs this normal? Does anyone have any insight into this? I'm getting a weird sense like there was something wrong with my application. It just seems odd. Or, of course, I could be wrong, and it could be standard practice to reject people pre-OCI and for OCI. I'm above median at a T7-T13.
Yeah. They said they won't be pursuing my candidacy any further. It's a V30. The interviews went very well, as far as I was concerned, and I received positive responses from all the interviewers I met with; again, kind of scratching my head here.jackshunger wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:38 pmThey rejected you after a Pre-OCI interview and told you not to apply to them during OCI too?consolidation058 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:26 pmIs this normal? Does anyone have any insight into this? I'm getting a weird sense like there was something wrong with my application. It just seems odd. Or, of course, I could be wrong, and it could be standard practice to reject people pre-OCI and for OCI. I'm above median at a T7-T13.
They must not have gone as well, as far as the firm was concerned.consolidation058 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:50 pmYeah. They said they won't be pursuing my candidacy any further. It's a V30. The interviews went very well, as far as I was concerned, and I received positive responses from all the interviewers I met with; again, kind of scratching my head here.jackshunger wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:38 pmThey rejected you after a Pre-OCI interview and told you not to apply to them during OCI too?consolidation058 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:26 pmIs this normal? Does anyone have any insight into this? I'm getting a weird sense like there was something wrong with my application. It just seems odd. Or, of course, I could be wrong, and it could be standard practice to reject people pre-OCI and for OCI. I'm above median at a T7-T13.
All of this. My career counselor (T7-T13 as well) said not to bother bidding for a firm at OCI that rejected you pre-OCI. But if you didn't hear back at all then it's fair game to bid. Why would you even want to waste a bid on them if they rejected you? You have a pretty good indicator that it would be prudent to bid elsewhere at OCI.nixy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:05 pmSo usually (I think) when people get rejected from pre-OCI but then apply during OCI, they just didn’t get a bite at all in the pre-OCI phase, for whatever reason. If you actually went through the whole interview process pre-OCI and got rejected it makes perfect sense to me that you wouldn’t get any further at OCI. If someone mass mails and the firm just doesn’t pick them up at that point, but then they bid at OCI and get an interview, that’s different from someone who’s already gone through the full process and been rejected. (Basically, to my understanding, getting rejected after a callback is the end of the process, whether it’s before or during OCI.)
It’s also a super weird year so I wouldn’t try too hard to parse stuff. Who knows what’s going on behind the scenes.
Lol fair. I just got good responses from the people I interviewed, so I didn't think it was crazy to come away with that perception.LawrenceGazebo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:03 pmThey must not have gone as well, as far as the firm was concerned.consolidation058 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:50 pmYeah. They said they won't be pursuing my candidacy any further. It's a V30. The interviews went very well, as far as I was concerned, and I received positive responses from all the interviewers I met with; again, kind of scratching my head here.jackshunger wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:38 pmThey rejected you after a Pre-OCI interview and told you not to apply to them during OCI too?consolidation058 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:26 pmIs this normal? Does anyone have any insight into this? I'm getting a weird sense like there was something wrong with my application. It just seems odd. Or, of course, I could be wrong, and it could be standard practice to reject people pre-OCI and for OCI. I'm above median at a T7-T13.
That's reassuring. So you don't think it's a red flag?nixy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:05 pmSo usually (I think) when people get rejected from pre-OCI but then apply during OCI, they just didn’t get a bite at all in the pre-OCI phase, for whatever reason. If you actually went through the whole interview process pre-OCI and got rejected it makes perfect sense to me that you wouldn’t get any further at OCI. If someone mass mails and the firm just doesn’t pick them up at that point, but then they bid at OCI and get an interview, that’s different from someone who’s already gone through the full process and been rejected. (Basically, to my understanding, getting rejected after a callback is the end of the process, whether it’s before or during OCI.)
It’s also a super weird year so I wouldn’t try too hard to parse stuff. Who knows what’s going on behind the scenes.
Alright, I just wanted to clarify, but makes sense. You can do a practice interview with your career office just to make sure you didn't say anything instantly disqualifying, but I wouldn't get too down about it. If you check the Pre-OCI thread, there are a lot of disappointed people there too. Just keep working at it and you'll get a job.consolidation058 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:50 pmYeah. They said they won't be pursuing my candidacy any further. It's a V30. The interviews went very well, as far as I was concerned, and I received positive responses from all the interviewers I met with; again, kind of scratching my head here.jackshunger wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:38 pmThey rejected you after a Pre-OCI interview and told you not to apply to them during OCI too?consolidation058 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:26 pmIs this normal? Does anyone have any insight into this? I'm getting a weird sense like there was something wrong with my application. It just seems odd. Or, of course, I could be wrong, and it could be standard practice to reject people pre-OCI and for OCI. I'm above median at a T7-T13.
Yeah that's fair. I likely would have held off on doing this pre-OCI if I had known it works this way, but, alas, is what it is.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:20 pmLook if you've had a Callback, why would you do OCI. The goal of OCI and the screeners is to get a callback. If you've already gotten that pre-oci then of course it would make no sense to re-bid. Why would the firm waste resources to give you another 3 hour interview? Why would you waste your time and do the same after you've already met at minimum 5-6 attorneys from that firm?
No one knows what firms are doing. You could get rejected because they don't need to hire into the practice group you said you preferred. You could get rejected because they already have hired too many people of your race/gender. Don't think too much about what you cannot control. Try to be nice and hope for the best.
This is likely what I will do. Appreciate the encouraging words.jackshunger wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:26 pmAlright, I just wanted to clarify, but makes sense. You can do a practice interview with your career office just to make sure you didn't say anything instantly disqualifying, but I wouldn't get too down about it. If you check the Pre-OCI thread, there are a lot of disappointed people there too. Just keep working at it and you'll get a job.consolidation058 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:50 pmYeah. They said they won't be pursuing my candidacy any further. It's a V30. The interviews went very well, as far as I was concerned, and I received positive responses from all the interviewers I met with; again, kind of scratching my head here.jackshunger wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:38 pmThey rejected you after a Pre-OCI interview and told you not to apply to them during OCI too?consolidation058 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:26 pmIs this normal? Does anyone have any insight into this? I'm getting a weird sense like there was something wrong with my application. It just seems odd. Or, of course, I could be wrong, and it could be standard practice to reject people pre-OCI and for OCI. I'm above median at a T7-T13.
FWIW, I doubt this firm would have responded differently if you did the callback after OCI rather than before. I suppose you might have really strengthened your interviewing skills over time, but there's always going to be a first interview and some of the factors that influence whether they hire you aren't going to change from now to the end of OCI.consolidation058 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:10 pmYeah that's fair. I likely would have held off on doing this pre-OCI if I had known it works this way, but, alas, is what it is.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:20 pmLook if you've had a Callback, why would you do OCI. The goal of OCI and the screeners is to get a callback. If you've already gotten that pre-oci then of course it would make no sense to re-bid. Why would the firm waste resources to give you another 3 hour interview? Why would you waste your time and do the same after you've already met at minimum 5-6 attorneys from that firm?
No one knows what firms are doing. You could get rejected because they don't need to hire into the practice group you said you preferred. You could get rejected because they already have hired too many people of your race/gender. Don't think too much about what you cannot control. Try to be nice and hope for the best.
I feel like you're not fully comprehending what happened. The firm just decided you weren't a fit. They wouldn't have thought differently after OCI. It could've been your answers, your race, your gender, your attitude, your preferred practice area, or anything else you can think of. You didn't screw yourself out of an opportunity by not waiting. This firm just didn't want you, for whatever reason.consolidation058 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:10 pmYeah that's fair. I likely would have held off on doing this pre-OCI if I had known it works this way, but, alas, is what it is.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:20 pmLook if you've had a Callback, why would you do OCI. The goal of OCI and the screeners is to get a callback. If you've already gotten that pre-oci then of course it would make no sense to re-bid. Why would the firm waste resources to give you another 3 hour interview? Why would you waste your time and do the same after you've already met at minimum 5-6 attorneys from that firm?
No one knows what firms are doing. You could get rejected because they don't need to hire into the practice group you said you preferred. You could get rejected because they already have hired too many people of your race/gender. Don't think too much about what you cannot control. Try to be nice and hope for the best.