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Re: What's up with Goodwin?

Post by oblig.lawl.ref » Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:18 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:26 am
tyrant_flycatcher wrote:
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Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:46 am
Some thoughts from a Goodwin associate.

1. Our mid year exits are always March 31 for people with performance issues. I think the firm (understandably) overreacted and cut deeper than they should have this year. But I also think a lot of numbers posted on here are flat out made up.
This is not a thing at my firm or other firms I know of. Natural attrition should take care of any oversupply of attorneys. From time to time I have heard about attorneys being asked to leave due to bad work—but an annual, systematic culling? I kinda doubt there are that many juniors with actual performance problems and this is your firm’s way of keeping the books tight and rightsizing every year. Maybe I just don’t realize when someone has been asked to leave, because who would be open about that...
I’m guessing the latter, not really knowing where you work. Unless you’re in a small office, there’s just no way around it. It’s unrealistic to think associates will self-trim.

This also stuck out to me as weird. We did not have a "mid year exits" event at my firm and I think this is the first time I've heard of something like that stated so plainly. Maybe it's not the worst thing compared to ad-hoc force outs but it still strikes me as strange.

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Re: What's up with Goodwin?

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:43 am

Lateral to Goodwin here chiming in with my $0.02.

So far, I haven't had any of the issues that laterals in other groups/offices seem to have experienced. I'm in one of the busy groups though, and no one from our group got laid off this year, so I can't really speak to the layoffs.

I can say though that as a lateral I have been staffed on good clients/matters and not just thrown on whatever matters the non-laterals didn't want. I've been able to work a lot with partners that are involved in firm leadership (which certainly doesn't hurt during layoffs as long as you're doing good work for them), and everyone in my group is friendly and pretty humane to work for by biglaw standards (some even by regular standards).

So, I'm not discounting the counterpoints that others Goodwin posters have shared, I'm just saying that it's probably highly dependent on your office and practice group, so maybe I just got lucky. I also came from a pretty bad culture at my old firm, so to me Goodwin seems like a dream when compared to the only other firm I've been at.

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Re: What's up with Goodwin?

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:44 pm

Same camp as the Goodwin lateral above me here--I lateraled into a busy group and things have been relatively good and more humane than at my previous firm.

I think the layoffs are more common in big law than a lot of folks here seem to think (though maybe not at the scale that happened this year). I do think the pandemic gave some folks who were "counseled out" for performance reasons a way to explain their dismissal, so things weren't kept as close to the vest as they would have been in a normal year. That said, I know folks who had good hours and did solid work and got counseled out, so I don't think Goodwin spinning dismissals as purely performance-based is credible...

Mismanagement aside, I do want to reiterate that my experience has been much nicer at Goodwin than at my last (higher v-ranked) firm.

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