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Re: Associate Frequently "Used" For Diversity Purposes

Post by Anonymous User » Sun May 17, 2020 5:06 pm

It's hard to judge whether there is racism, overt or unconscious, without more information.

Most people I know will avoid giving negative feedback unless absolute necessary. It can create an awkward situation for everyone involved, because people don't know how others react to negative feedback. No partner or senior associate want to be the 'jerk' supervisor that other associates avoid. That's why generally people say you can only really tell what people think of your performance based on the projects you are staffed on. If you make peoples' life easier on cases/projects, without complaints or attitude, you will get staffed. But its a relative comparison. If the other associates in your firm are superstars and you just don't know it, they may get preference for legitimate reasons.

You probably already done this, but check and really think about the redlines/work product feedback you get from supervising attorneys, especially compared against the final product. Does my work product signal that I am an associate capable of taking on more interesting projects? How much revision does my supervising attorney have to make? I remember interviewing at a V10 years back and a partner told me class-year really isn't determinative. He had senior associates run signature pages while mid levels manage deals. It all depended on what capabilities they showed.

Presumably you are using WorkSite, you can also look at your fellow associates' work products by searching for docs authored by them.

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Re: Associate Frequently "Used" For Diversity Purposes

Post by Anonymous User » Sun May 17, 2020 5:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 5:06 pm
You probably already done this, but check and really think about the redlines/work product feedback you get from supervising attorneys, especially compared against the final product. Does my work product signal that I am an associate capable of taking on more interesting projects? How much revision does my supervising attorney have to make? I remember interviewing at a V10 years back and a partner told me class-year really isn't determinative. He had senior associates run signature pages while mid levels manage deals. It all depended on what capabilities they showed.
Admins, split this into a separate thread if you have to, but can someone comment on the level of veracity of this? Are there really 8th years out there consistently doing DD and running signature pages? I get that it maybe done in a pinch, but it's kinda scary to think that that could be the end of someone skill development curve in a transactional law career. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle? I hope so.

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Re: Associate Frequently "Used" For Diversity Purposes

Post by Anonymous User » Sun May 17, 2020 5:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 5:38 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 5:06 pm
You probably already done this, but check and really think about the redlines/work product feedback you get from supervising attorneys, especially compared against the final product. Does my work product signal that I am an associate capable of taking on more interesting projects? How much revision does my supervising attorney have to make? I remember interviewing at a V10 years back and a partner told me class-year really isn't determinative. He had senior associates run signature pages while mid levels manage deals. It all depended on what capabilities they showed.
Admins, split this into a separate thread if you have to, but can someone comment on the level of veracity of this? Are there really 8th years out there consistently doing DD and running signature pages? I get that it maybe done in a pinch, but it's kinda scary to think that that could be the end of someone skill development curve in a transactional law career. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle? I hope so.
I think you'd get forced out well before then

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