I think they said associates could not start unless they had sat for the bar exam, but given the uncertainty around that...Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:18 pmWhat did they say other than deferring?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:17 pmI sincerely found STB repulsive after their latest announcement
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That's just unreasonable under the circumstances.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:24 pmI think they said associates could not start unless they had sat for the bar exam, but given the uncertainty around that...Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:18 pmWhat did they say other than deferring?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:17 pmI sincerely found STB repulsive after their latest announcement
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Yeah WTF? This is an obvious excuse to defer associates. No real reason to require associates "sit for the bar."bbsexclusively wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:04 amThat's just unreasonable under the circumstances.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:24 pmI think they said associates could not start unless they had sat for the bar exam, but given the uncertainty around that...Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:18 pmWhat did they say other than deferring?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:17 pmI sincerely found STB repulsive after their latest announcement
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I'm guessing it's so that people don't start in January and then immediately have to take time off to study for FebruaryJusticeSquee wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:34 pmYeah WTF? This is an obvious excuse to defer associates. No real reason to require associates "sit for the bar."bbsexclusively wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:04 amThat's just unreasonable under the circumstances.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:24 pmI think they said associates could not start unless they had sat for the bar exam, but given the uncertainty around that...Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:18 pmWhat did they say other than deferring?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:17 pmI sincerely found STB repulsive after their latest announcement
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Any updates from other judicial clerks re start dates? My firm has been very non-committal and ambiguous about a start date since, even though pre-COVID I had a definitive start date.
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Arnold & Porter, Baker Mckenzie, and Baker Botts have all deferred incoming clerks until January.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:58 pmAny updates from other judicial clerks re start dates? My firm has been very non-committal and ambiguous about a start date since, even though pre-COVID I had a definitive start date.
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Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:58 pmAny updates from other judicial clerks re start dates? My firm has been very non-committal and ambiguous about a start date since, even though pre-COVID I had a definitive start date.
Know for a fact that my firm in V50 has already told clerks they are starting on time. Seems to be a really varied response.
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Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:58 pmAny updates from other judicial clerks re start dates? My firm has been very non-committal and ambiguous about a start date since, even though pre-COVID I had a definitive start date.
My firm, which publicly deferred first-years to January, is allowing clerks to start in the fall if we want, at least in my clerk-heavy practice group. Good luck to you...
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Please list the names of the firms allowing clerks to join. Its pretty useless if you do not share the name of the firm. Shout it out anywhere, but please mention the name.
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Why is it helpful to name the firm?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:48 pmPlease list the names of the firms allowing clerks to join. Its pretty useless if you do not share the name of the firm. Shout it out anywhere, but please mention the name.
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V50 incoming clerk and have not heard from my firm. Did your firm reach out to you or was this in response to your inquiry regarding start dates? ThanksAnonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:35 amAnonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:58 pmAny updates from other judicial clerks re start dates? My firm has been very non-committal and ambiguous about a start date since, even though pre-COVID I had a definitive start date.
My firm, which publicly deferred first-years to January, is allowing clerks to start in the fall if we want, at least in my clerk-heavy practice group. Good luck to you...
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For the same reasons it's helpful to name & shame Arnold & Porter, Baker McKenzie, & Baker Botts for not allowing clerks to start, when many of their peers are giving clerks normal start dates.cheaptilts wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:51 pmWhy is it helpful to name the firm?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:48 pmPlease list the names of the firms allowing clerks to join. Its pretty useless if you do not share the name of the firm. Shout it out anywhere, but please mention the name.
Firms say they "value law clerks" but if, say, WilmerHale is giving firms normal start dates when Arnold & Porter is not, then law students looking to clerk might consider that when picking between those firms.
Anecdotally, the litigation associates I know at A&P, Baker McKenzie, & Baker Botts are busy, but the firms are pushing back the clerks start dates anyway (even though the excuse of "delayed bar exam" doesn't hold water for clerks, who have usually taken the bar exam). So, rising 2Ls hoping to clerk (and even those not looking to clerk) might take note of how this is being handled.
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This is a bit romantic, I think. We are in the midst of a black-swan global crisis. There's too much noise in the data of whether clerks are able to start in September or November or January to make assumptions about whether executive committees really care about clerks deep down in their hearts.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:20 pmFor the same reasons it's helpful to name & shame Arnold & Porter, Baker McKenzie, & Baker Botts for not allowing clerks to start, when many of their peers are giving clerks normal start dates.cheaptilts wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:51 pmWhy is it helpful to name the firm?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:48 pmPlease list the names of the firms allowing clerks to join. Its pretty useless if you do not share the name of the firm. Shout it out anywhere, but please mention the name.
Firms say they "value law clerks" but if, say, WilmerHale is giving firms normal start dates when Arnold & Porter is not, then law students looking to clerk might consider that when picking between those firms.
Anecdotally, the litigation associates I know at A&P, Baker McKenzie, & Baker Botts are busy, but the firms are pushing back the clerks start dates anyway (even though the excuse of "delayed bar exam" doesn't hold water for clerks, who have usually taken the bar exam). So, rising 2Ls hoping to clerk (and even those not looking to clerk) might take note of how this is being handled.
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Anyone know more about this?
Munger is delaying regular incoming associates until 2021 but basically reneging on 2021 clerks' associate jobs (and offering public interest funding instead). Seems kinda dumb to piss off people who are about to go clerk and will be free agents then...unless they want fewer associates in their ranks? Is Munger having financial troubles?
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Munger is delaying regular incoming associates until 2021 but basically reneging on 2021 clerks' associate jobs (and offering public interest funding instead). Seems kinda dumb to piss off people who are about to go clerk and will be free agents then...unless they want fewer associates in their ranks? Is Munger having financial troubles?
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Clerks who are going to clerk in 2021 would, by a Jan/Feb start date, work only between 5 and 8 months at the firm (assuming most judges onboard clerks between June and September). MTO probably does what some other firms do with those who clerk mid-career: cut all ties and require that the clerk re-interview for the position after a clerkship. I know of at least one V30 who has a heavy emphasis on clerkship hiring who follows that practice.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:15 pmAnyone know more about this?
Munger is delaying regular incoming associates until 2021 but basically reneging on 2021 clerks' associate jobs (and offering public interest funding instead). Seems kinda dumb to piss off people who are about to go clerk and will be free agents then...unless they want fewer associates in their ranks? Is Munger having financial troubles?
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Doesn't necessarily seem like the best play w/r/t those summers, but tbh, I'm not sure anyone coming off of a clerkship besides these summers will throw MTO out for this. They may have pissed off some of their 26 summer associates from last year. But there are plenty of clerks who would happily jump in the snubbed associates' spots when the non-MTO-summer individuals' clerkships end. They are a very desirable post-clerkship destination.
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Kirkland just sent an email to our incoming associates informing them that they will be starting on Oct 19.
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Can confirm that the bolded is the typical practice at MTO, though I have heard of exceptions (or that it is more or less of a formality for some).FU2016 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:03 pmClerks who are going to clerk in 2021 would, by a Jan/Feb start date, work only between 5 and 8 months at the firm (assuming most judges onboard clerks between June and September). MTO probably does what some other firms do with those who clerk mid-career: cut all ties and require that the clerk re-interview for the position after a clerkship. I know of at least one V30 who has a heavy emphasis on clerkship hiring who follows that practice.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:15 pmAnyone know more about this?
Munger is delaying regular incoming associates until 2021 but basically reneging on 2021 clerks' associate jobs (and offering public interest funding instead). Seems kinda dumb to piss off people who are about to go clerk and will be free agents then...unless they want fewer associates in their ranks? Is Munger having financial troubles?
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Doesn't necessarily seem like the best play w/r/t those summers, but tbh, I'm not sure anyone coming off of a clerkship besides these summers will throw MTO out for this. They may have pissed off some of their 26 summer associates from last year. But there are plenty of clerks who would happily jump in the snubbed associates' spots when the non-MTO-summer individuals' clerkships end. They are a very desirable post-clerkship destination.
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New York cancels September bar exam: http://nycourts.gov/ctapps/
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Can't imagine MTO would see any real impact from this, but those summers should be angry - they surely had comparable offers they could have taken.FU2016 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:03 pmClerks who are going to clerk in 2021 would, by a Jan/Feb start date, work only between 5 and 8 months at the firm (assuming most judges onboard clerks between June and September). MTO probably does what some other firms do with those who clerk mid-career: cut all ties and require that the clerk re-interview for the position after a clerkship. I know of at least one V30 who has a heavy emphasis on clerkship hiring who follows that practice.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:15 pmAnyone know more about this?
Munger is delaying regular incoming associates until 2021 but basically reneging on 2021 clerks' associate jobs (and offering public interest funding instead). Seems kinda dumb to piss off people who are about to go clerk and will be free agents then...unless they want fewer associates in their ranks? Is Munger having financial troubles?
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Doesn't necessarily seem like the best play w/r/t those summers, but tbh, I'm not sure anyone coming off of a clerkship besides these summers will throw MTO out for this. They may have pissed off some of their 26 summer associates from last year. But there are plenty of clerks who would happily jump in the snubbed associates' spots when the non-MTO-summer individuals' clerkships end. They are a very desirable post-clerkship destination.
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Is the moral here to always pursue alternative opportunities even with "assurances" that you will be welcomed back?
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https://abovethelaw.com/2020/07/incomin ... glaw-firm/jackshunger wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:39 pmCan't imagine MTO would see any real impact from this, but those summers should be angry - they surely had comparable offers they could have taken.FU2016 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:03 pmClerks who are going to clerk in 2021 would, by a Jan/Feb start date, work only between 5 and 8 months at the firm (assuming most judges onboard clerks between June and September). MTO probably does what some other firms do with those who clerk mid-career: cut all ties and require that the clerk re-interview for the position after a clerkship. I know of at least one V30 who has a heavy emphasis on clerkship hiring who follows that practice.Anonymous User wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:15 pmAnyone know more about this?
Munger is delaying regular incoming associates until 2021 but basically reneging on 2021 clerks' associate jobs (and offering public interest funding instead). Seems kinda dumb to piss off people who are about to go clerk and will be free agents then...unless they want fewer associates in their ranks? Is Munger having financial troubles?
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Doesn't necessarily seem like the best play w/r/t those summers, but tbh, I'm not sure anyone coming off of a clerkship besides these summers will throw MTO out for this. They may have pissed off some of their 26 summer associates from last year. But there are plenty of clerks who would happily jump in the snubbed associates' spots when the non-MTO-summer individuals' clerkships end. They are a very desirable post-clerkship destination.
Surprised it's a group of only four—a pretty negligible # in terms of costs savings.
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And the same day, moments later, the bar was cancelled. Between bar cancellations, states seeing COVID numbers spike, and widescale expectation of a second wave and subsequent shutdowns, is there a point at which firms give up on the class of 2020? When?Anonymous User wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:38 pmKirkland just sent an email to our incoming associates informing them that they will be starting on Oct 19.
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