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Thanks for the advice everyone, much appreciated.
Thanks for the advice everyone, much appreciated.
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If this is the only time you got blowback about this incident, I would not worry about it. I certainly would not put any stock in vague suspicions that one partner is being "distant." That said, being mean to your colleagues is not a good look - even if deserved - and having a reputation for it is a serious problem.Anonymous User wrote:As the year end is approaching, just wanted to get some thought on whether I should polish up my resume and seek to lateral, or whether it's okay to stay.
Recently I was given a "talk" by the partner overseeing the HR side of the firm for an informal complaint filed by a colleague. The gist was basically that I was too mean and that the colleague was overwhelmed (none of the sexual harassment or protected activity situation). This said partner is unassociated with the group I work for, and the complaining colleague appears to be being pushed out. The latter of which, I don't think HR knew.
On the work front, I have been getting consistent praise from the partners and senior associates, although I suspect the main partner I work for may have heard a few days ago, since his attitude is a little distant lately. Having said that, I'm still getting integral work to the team and the same complainant associate continues to lose work (which I am later asked to fix.)
There has been absolutely no follow up on this for over a month, presumably because the bonus season/review season is approaching, and the firm is pretty short staffed. I, on the other hand, feel unfairly mischaracterised and scapegoated, and frankly have little interest in staying unless this will blow over and/or my reputation is cleared. The only reason I am still here is because I get pretty excellent work and I enjoy my job other than the uncomfortable team dynamic.
Should I take this "talk" as a sign that the firm wants me to leave (or does not see long term value), or should I just forge on so long as I'm getting good work. Advice is much appreciated.
To give better context, that same colleague apparently went to complain three times in a year, which is why this escalated to a "talk" it seems. Not sure if that changes the calculus.hlsperson1111 wrote:If this is the only time you got blowback about this incident, I would not worry about it. I certainly would not put any stock in vague suspicions that one partner is being "distant." That said, being mean to your colleagues is not a good look - even if deserved - and having a reputation for it is a serious problem.Anonymous User wrote:As the year end is approaching, just wanted to get some thought on whether I should polish up my resume and seek to lateral, or whether it's okay to stay.
Recently I was given a "talk" by the partner overseeing the HR side of the firm for an informal complaint filed by a colleague. The gist was basically that I was too mean and that the colleague was overwhelmed (none of the sexual harassment or protected activity situation). This said partner is unassociated with the group I work for, and the complaining colleague appears to be being pushed out. The latter of which, I don't think HR knew.
On the work front, I have been getting consistent praise from the partners and senior associates, although I suspect the main partner I work for may have heard a few days ago, since his attitude is a little distant lately. Having said that, I'm still getting integral work to the team and the same complainant associate continues to lose work (which I am later asked to fix.)
There has been absolutely no follow up on this for over a month, presumably because the bonus season/review season is approaching, and the firm is pretty short staffed. I, on the other hand, feel unfairly mischaracterised and scapegoated, and frankly have little interest in staying unless this will blow over and/or my reputation is cleared. The only reason I am still here is because I get pretty excellent work and I enjoy my job other than the uncomfortable team dynamic.
Should I take this "talk" as a sign that the firm wants me to leave (or does not see long term value), or should I just forge on so long as I'm getting good work. Advice is much appreciated.
This, and drop the self-absorbed microanalysis of everything going on in your firm while you're at it. Not everything that happens in the firm is about you, and perhaps your boss is "distant" because, in the wake of the complaint, you're overanalyzing his/everyone else's behavior.hlsperson1111 wrote:If this is the only time you got blowback about this incident, I would not worry about it. I certainly would not put any stock in vague suspicions that one partner is being "distant." That said, being mean to your colleagues is not a good look - even if deserved - and having a reputation for it is a serious problem.Anonymous User wrote:As the year end is approaching, just wanted to get some thought on whether I should polish up my resume and seek to lateral, or whether it's okay to stay.
Recently I was given a "talk" by the partner overseeing the HR side of the firm for an informal complaint filed by a colleague. The gist was basically that I was too mean and that the colleague was overwhelmed (none of the sexual harassment or protected activity situation). This said partner is unassociated with the group I work for, and the complaining colleague appears to be being pushed out. The latter of which, I don't think HR knew.
On the work front, I have been getting consistent praise from the partners and senior associates, although I suspect the main partner I work for may have heard a few days ago, since his attitude is a little distant lately. Having said that, I'm still getting integral work to the team and the same complainant associate continues to lose work (which I am later asked to fix.)
There has been absolutely no follow up on this for over a month, presumably because the bonus season/review season is approaching, and the firm is pretty short staffed. I, on the other hand, feel unfairly mischaracterised and scapegoated, and frankly have little interest in staying unless this will blow over and/or my reputation is cleared. The only reason I am still here is because I get pretty excellent work and I enjoy my job other than the uncomfortable team dynamic.
Should I take this "talk" as a sign that the firm wants me to leave (or does not see long term value), or should I just forge on so long as I'm getting good work. Advice is much appreciated.
This is more accurate to what happened. Would that make it worse or better?papermateflair wrote:Did the partner who gave you the talk give you any indications about your standing? Like, did they otherwise sandwich it with praise or that you're doing well, or did they say that you need to do anything in particular (apologize, not have it happen again, be more careful with interactions, etc.)? You don't need to tell us, but if the partner just came in and said that someone had complained about how you made them cry without asking for your side, then that's different than 45 minutes of them reading through a complaint and giving you a list of things to fix (with an unstated but understood "or else"). In any case, people at your firm are on alert now for this type of behavior from you, so even if this one incident isn't getting you fired, ANYTHING less than professional behavior is going to get noticed. If you don't want to deal with that for the next few months, you may need or want to start over at another firm to clear the slate.
I know you've said that it was unfair, and that you didn't do whatever it was and your colleague lied/misstated the truth, but I would suggest that you take some accountability for what happened, even if you didn't set out to intentionally be mean or hurt this person. We don't get to choose how others react to us, but we DO get to choose how we interact with and how we treat others. Whatever happened clearly didn't accomplish what you wanted, even if you didn't do anything "wrong" - was it worth it? Consider what you could have done better, and next time you're in this situation, try to be more professional, collected, and kind.
Worse, obviously, because it shows the partner wasn't interested in hearing your perspective. If I was in your shoes I'd start looking to lateral urgently.Anonymous User wrote:This is more accurate to what happened. Would that make it worse or better?
Yeah, that was my assumption as well, but either way I'd still get the resume ready and start at least applying so you are not caught flat footed if they push you outnixy wrote:I assumed better, because I read it as the partner telling you because they felt obligated to tell you, but not thinking it actually required action, vs. laying out guidelines you have to be sure to follow in the future or face consequences.
Yes - that's what I meant ("You made someone cry and I'm obligated to tell you so HR gets off my back" vs "this is a serious error and we need you to fix it or else"), but I guess you could read it either waytrebekismyhero wrote:Yeah, that was my assumption as well, but either way I'd still get the resume ready and start at least applying so you are not caught flat footed if they push you outnixy wrote:I assumed better, because I read it as the partner telling you because they felt obligated to tell you, but not thinking it actually required action, vs. laying out guidelines you have to be sure to follow in the future or face consequences.