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Ropes v. Jones Day v. Arnold and Porter (all NYC)
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:59 am
by Anonymous User
I'm mostly interested in litigation, white collar, FCPA, etc. Can anyone provide some insight into what I should be looking for, when trying to differentiate between these firms? Or anything else that might be helpful. I am interested in clerking eventually.
Re: Ropes v. Jones Day v. Arnold and Porter (all NYC)
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:55 pm
by Anonymous User
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Re: Ropes v. Jones Day v. Arnold and Porter (all NYC)
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 6:31 pm
by Anonymous User
At the risk of stating the obvious... JD doesn't pay market under its black box system. Also, JD's marquee lit practice is in JD D.C., not JD NY. Given the inherent uncertainties in predicting future exit opps (usually far more a function of which partners you get to know than firm prestige per se), I'd go with either A&P or Ropes, both of which pay market, over JD.
Re: Ropes v. Jones Day v. Arnold and Porter (all NYC)
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:29 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:At the risk of stating the obvious... JD doesn't pay market under its black box system. Also, JD's marquee lit practice is in JD D.C., not JD NY. Given the inherent uncertainties in predicting future exit opps (usually far more a function of which partners you get to know than firm prestige per se), I'd go with either A&P or Ropes, both of which pay market, over JD.
Thanks, yeah, I've been realizing that the black box can be a huge difference in salary, and I definitely need to pay off loans. Anything to note between AP and Ropes? I know they are both more centrally located in other cities. NYC is both their second largest office.
Re: Ropes v. Jones Day v. Arnold and Porter (all NYC)
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:14 am
by Anonymous User
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Re: Ropes v. Jones Day v. Arnold and Porter (all NYC)
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:57 pm
by Wild Card
Jones Day is not on the same level as Ropes and A&P.
Both of the latter have been placing well into all of the prosecution and enforcement agencies I've worked at.
Re: Ropes v. Jones Day v. Arnold and Porter (all NYC)
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:34 pm
by Anonymous User
Wild Card wrote:Jones Day is not on the same level as Ropes and A&P.
Both of the latter have been placing well into all of the prosecution and enforcement agencies I've worked at.
I don't think the bolded is correct but do agree that you shouldn't go to JD unless it's in one of their smaller market offices. Otherwise it's likely that you'll be underpaid there.
Re: Ropes v. Jones Day v. Arnold and Porter (all NYC)
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:42 pm
by Anonymous User
that's great to hear about AP/Ropes placement into prosecutor and enforcement agencies. What should I be looking for as I decide between the two? Is one firm known for something that the other isn't? Where can I find more detailed info on pay structure?
Re: Ropes v. Jones Day v. Arnold and Porter (all NYC)
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 1:20 am
by Wild Card
Anonymous User wrote:Wild Card wrote:Jones Day is not on the same level as Ropes and A&P.
Both of the latter have been placing well into all of the prosecution and enforcement agencies I've worked at.
I don't think the bolded is correct but do agree that you shouldn't go to JD unless it's in one of their smaller market offices. Otherwise it's likely that you'll be underpaid there.
I meant the New York offices, not the firms as a whole.
Re: Ropes v. Jones Day v. Arnold and Porter (all NYC)
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:09 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote: I'd go with either A&P or Ropes, both of which pay market...
Does A&P actually pay market? I thought they didn't raise.
Re: Ropes v. Jones Day v. Arnold and Porter (all NYC)
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:33 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:Anonymous User wrote: I'd go with either A&P or Ropes, both of which pay market...
Does A&P actually pay market? I thought they didn't raise.
A&P associate here. A&P matched salaries but did not give summer bonuses. Said firm will “consider” other firms’ summer bonuses when giving year-end bonuses.