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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Is anyone a practicing attorney/clerk or someone with knowledge on how the major firms in Cincinnati are viewed? Are they all more or less the same, prestige-wise?

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Is anyone a practicing attorney/clerk or someone with knowledge on how the major firms in Cincinnati are viewed? Are they all more or less the same, prestige-wise?
I’m curious about this as well. I am going to be working for one of them soon and never really heard much differentiating them in terms of prestige.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:38 am
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Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:40 am
Is anyone a practicing attorney/clerk or someone with knowledge on how the major firms in Cincinnati are viewed? Are they all more or less the same, prestige-wise?
I’m curious about this as well. I am going to be working for one of them soon and never really heard much differentiating them in terms of prestige.
Unless it is Jones Day or Squire, I’m not sure it really matters. They’re all regional firms and nobody cares about “prestige.”

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:38 am
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Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:40 am
Is anyone a practicing attorney/clerk or someone with knowledge on how the major firms in Cincinnati are viewed? Are they all more or less the same, prestige-wise?
I’m curious about this as well. I am going to be working for one of them soon and never really heard much differentiating them in terms of prestige.
Unless it is Jones Day or Squire, I’m not sure it really matters. They’re all regional firms and nobody cares about “prestige.”
Did Jones Day have a Cincinnati office at one point?

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:04 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:38 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:40 am
Is anyone a practicing attorney/clerk or someone with knowledge on how the major firms in Cincinnati are viewed? Are they all more or less the same, prestige-wise?
I’m curious about this as well. I am going to be working for one of them soon and never really heard much differentiating them in terms of prestige.
Unless it is Jones Day or Squire, I’m not sure it really matters. They’re all regional firms and nobody cares about “prestige.”
Did Jones Day have a Cincinnati office at one point?
I've never heard of it having one. Only V100 firms in Cincinnati I've heard of are Squire, Baker Hostetler, and Blank Rome. All their Cincinnati offices are small and I'm not really sure what kind of work they're doing in the city.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Also, I think Thompson Hine and a few other Ohio firms have smaller offices in Cincinnati (compared with the larger Cincinnati firms already mentioned) and they pay market, too.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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It is true because I work there. FBT now pays first years $125. That is more than Dinsmore but lower than some others.
KMK and pretty sure Taft are $125. I think Vorys and Porter Wright (small office) are the only ones I recall that pay more.
Confirming Taft is $125. Also I have heard that Katz Teller (boutique) pays above market.
I can confirm that. They're allegedly the highest paid in the city. I have no idea about their hiring practices at all, however.
Pretty sure they don’t regularly recruit students.
Calfee Halter also pays above market for first-years and summers - $135 starting for first-years.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:54 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:58 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:16 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:29 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:13 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:42 pm
It is true because I work there. FBT now pays first years $125. That is more than Dinsmore but lower than some others.
KMK and pretty sure Taft are $125. I think Vorys and Porter Wright (small office) are the only ones I recall that pay more.
Confirming Taft is $125. Also I have heard that Katz Teller (boutique) pays above market.
I can confirm that. They're allegedly the highest paid in the city. I have no idea about their hiring practices at all, however.
Pretty sure they don’t regularly recruit students.
Calfee Halter also pays above market for first-years and summers - $135 starting for first-years.
They seem to have a pretty lean office in Cincinnati. Do they regularly take first-years there?

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Anonymous User wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:10 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:54 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:58 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:16 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:29 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:13 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:42 pm
It is true because I work there. FBT now pays first years $125. That is more than Dinsmore but lower than some others.
KMK and pretty sure Taft are $125. I think Vorys and Porter Wright (small office) are the only ones I recall that pay more.
Confirming Taft is $125. Also I have heard that Katz Teller (boutique) pays above market.
I can confirm that. They're allegedly the highest paid in the city. I have no idea about their hiring practices at all, however.
Pretty sure they don’t regularly recruit students.
Calfee Halter also pays above market for first-years and summers - $135 starting for first-years.
They seem to have a pretty lean office in Cincinnati. Do they regularly take first-years there?
No. Oddly enough, very few firms do here in Cincinnati.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:57 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:10 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:54 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:58 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:16 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:29 pm
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Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:13 pm


KMK and pretty sure Taft are $125. I think Vorys and Porter Wright (small office) are the only ones I recall that pay more.
Confirming Taft is $125. Also I have heard that Katz Teller (boutique) pays above market.
I can confirm that. They're allegedly the highest paid in the city. I have no idea about their hiring practices at all, however.
Pretty sure they don’t regularly recruit students.
Calfee Halter also pays above market for first-years and summers - $135 starting for first-years.
They seem to have a pretty lean office in Cincinnati. Do they regularly take first-years there?
No. Oddly enough, very few firms do here in Cincinnati.
Odd. Maybe they take laterals from the other established firms that have summer classes.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:41 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:04 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:38 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:40 am
Is anyone a practicing attorney/clerk or someone with knowledge on how the major firms in Cincinnati are viewed? Are they all more or less the same, prestige-wise?
I’m curious about this as well. I am going to be working for one of them soon and never really heard much differentiating them in terms of prestige.
Unless it is Jones Day or Squire, I’m not sure it really matters. They’re all regional firms and nobody cares about “prestige.”
Did Jones Day have a Cincinnati office at one point?
I've never heard of it having one. Only V100 firms in Cincinnati I've heard of are Squire, Baker Hostetler, and Blank Rome. All their Cincinnati offices are small and I'm not really sure what kind of work they're doing in the city.
Dentons also has an office there now, I think thanks to an acquisition.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Anonymous User wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:37 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:41 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:04 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:38 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:40 am
Is anyone a practicing attorney/clerk or someone with knowledge on how the major firms in Cincinnati are viewed? Are they all more or less the same, prestige-wise?
I’m curious about this as well. I am going to be working for one of them soon and never really heard much differentiating them in terms of prestige.
Unless it is Jones Day or Squire, I’m not sure it really matters. They’re all regional firms and nobody cares about “prestige.”
Did Jones Day have a Cincinnati office at one point?
I've never heard of it having one. Only V100 firms in Cincinnati I've heard of are Squire, Baker Hostetler, and Blank Rome. All their Cincinnati offices are small and I'm not really sure what kind of work they're doing in the city.
Dentons also has an office there now, I think thanks to an acquisition.
Yeah it's the artist formerly known as Bingham Greenebaum, part of Dentons's attempt to have an office in every state or whatever, but as far as I know the million Dentons acquisitions are biglaw in name only and are more of a referral network than a unified firm. Partnership, leadership, comp, and hours are all determined locally according to Dentons.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Anonymous User wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 3:51 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:37 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:41 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:04 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:38 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:40 am
Is anyone a practicing attorney/clerk or someone with knowledge on how the major firms in Cincinnati are viewed? Are they all more or less the same, prestige-wise?
I’m curious about this as well. I am going to be working for one of them soon and never really heard much differentiating them in terms of prestige.
Unless it is Jones Day or Squire, I’m not sure it really matters. They’re all regional firms and nobody cares about “prestige.”
Did Jones Day have a Cincinnati office at one point?
I've never heard of it having one. Only V100 firms in Cincinnati I've heard of are Squire, Baker Hostetler, and Blank Rome. All their Cincinnati offices are small and I'm not really sure what kind of work they're doing in the city.
Dentons also has an office there now, I think thanks to an acquisition.
Yeah it's the artist formerly known as Bingham Greenebaum, part of Dentons's attempt to have an office in every state or whatever, but as far as I know the million Dentons acquisitions are biglaw in name only and are more of a referral network than a unified firm. Partnership, leadership, comp, and hours are all determined locally according to Dentons.
Surprised to see BGD go. Is that just how Denton’s operates or was there some instability?

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Has anyone heard from the Cincy firms post callback? I had callbacks with two of them and haven't heard back.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Has anyone heard from the Cincy firms post callback? I had callbacks with two of them and haven't heard back.
Cincinnati firms IME have always been bad about not getting back to students.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Has anyone heard from the Cincy firms post callback? I had callbacks with two of them and haven't heard back.
I can confirm that Dinsmore, TH, and FBT have made offers to people. No word on Taft (and no clue if Vorys or KMK even hired this year).

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Has anyone heard from the Cincy firms post callback? I had callbacks with two of them and haven't heard back.
I can confirm that Dinsmore, TH, and FBT have made offers to people. No word on Taft (and no clue if Vorys or KMK even hired this year).
I had an informational interview with Taft about a month and a half ago and there was a battle ongoing if they would hire anyone this year. I think they decided not to hire 2Ls. I guess I fully struck out this OCI if Dinsmore has already given out their offers. I just had my callback about a week and a half ago!

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:20 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:48 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:21 pm
Has anyone heard from the Cincy firms post callback? I had callbacks with two of them and haven't heard back.
I can confirm that Dinsmore, TH, and FBT have made offers to people. No word on Taft (and no clue if Vorys or KMK even hired this year).
I had an informational interview with Taft about a month and a half ago and there was a battle ongoing if they would hire anyone this year. I think they decided not to hire 2Ls. I guess I fully struck out this OCI if Dinsmore has already given out their offers. I just had my callback about a week and a half ago!
Thanks for the info about Taft. I knew a few people waiting on a response, so I wonder if they decided not to hire. Sorry about your luck. I only know of one person that just received an offer, so things could change.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:28 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:20 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:48 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:21 pm
Has anyone heard from the Cincy firms post callback? I had callbacks with two of them and haven't heard back.
I can confirm that Dinsmore, TH, and FBT have made offers to people. No word on Taft (and no clue if Vorys or KMK even hired this year).
I had an informational interview with Taft about a month and a half ago and there was a battle ongoing if they would hire anyone this year. I think they decided not to hire 2Ls. I guess I fully struck out this OCI if Dinsmore has already given out their offers. I just had my callback about a week and a half ago!
Thanks for the info about Taft. I knew a few people waiting on a response, so I wonder if they decided not to hire. Sorry about your luck. I only know of one person that just received an offer, so things could change.
Taft offers have been out for a while, and I'm pretty sure that their summer class is finalized.

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Any word on how big the summer classes in Cinci will be this year?

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Well this thread is sufficiently hijacked.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Well this thread is sufficiently hijacked.
You're suggesting that the Ohio legal market doesn't begin and end at Cincinnati?!? :D

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Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:44 am
UnfrozenCaveman wrote:
Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:49 pm
Well this thread is sufficiently hijacked.
You're suggesting that the Ohio legal market doesn't begin and end at Cincinnati?!? :D
Ha--well I meant the tea-leaf reading for SA interviews, etc.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:34 am
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Is anyone a practicing attorney/clerk or someone with knowledge on how the major firms in Cincinnati are viewed? Are they all more or less the same, prestige-wise?
I’m curious about this as well. I am going to be working for one of them soon and never really heard much differentiating them in terms of prestige.
Unless it is Jones Day or Squire, I’m not sure it really matters. They’re all regional firms and nobody cares about “prestige.”
Just trying to get a sense of what differentiates the Cincinnati firms since I don't go to law school in Cincinnati, and the market seems a bit more insular compared to Columbus/Cleveland.

Also, I get the impression that Squire is a risky place to start your career at. Haven't they been having issues for a while now? Not sure I'd take them over a regional Cincinnati firm to be honest.

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Re: The Definitive Thread on OH Law Firms

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Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:40 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:38 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:40 am
Is anyone a practicing attorney/clerk or someone with knowledge on how the major firms in Cincinnati are viewed? Are they all more or less the same, prestige-wise?
I’m curious about this as well. I am going to be working for one of them soon and never really heard much differentiating them in terms of prestige.
Unless it is Jones Day or Squire, I’m not sure it really matters. They’re all regional firms and nobody cares about “prestige.”
Just trying to get a sense of what differentiates the Cincinnati firms since I don't go to law school in Cincinnati, and the market seems a bit more insular compared to Columbus/Cleveland.

Also, I get the impression that Squire is a risky place to start your career at. Haven't they been having issues for a while now? Not sure I'd take them over a regional Cincinnati firm to be honest.
What kind of issues? Of the regional Cincinnati firms, I heard Dinsmore had quite a few layoffs due to COVID.

Anyone want to talk Columbus/Cleveland? I’m curious about those markets, since I’m from Ohio. Looking to see where I can land after clerking.

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