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Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure

Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure

jacketyellow wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure

After the screening interview, the callback is usually about fit. When the committee analyzes possibilities for screener invites, grades are usually an important part of the process. If you get a callback, it usually means that the firm is interested; you have a good personality; and they want to make sure you vibe with members of the firm. I daresay that grades do not matter much at this point in the game. I was median at a top 20 school, got a screener at a very good firm, got a callback, and got the only offer for that practice group. My grades definitely were not what the firm usually goes for. Be confident.

jacketyellow wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure

After the screening interview, the callback is usually about fit. When the committee analyzes possibilities for screener invites, grades are usually an important part of the process. If you get a callback, it usually means that the firm is interested; you have a good personality; and they want to make sure you vibe with members of the firm. I daresay that grades do not matter much at this point in the game. I was median at a top 20 school, got a screener at a very good firm, got a callback, and got the only offer for that practice group. My grades definitely were not what the firm usually goes for. Be confident.

Anonymous User wrote:

jacketyellow wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure

After the screening interview, the callback is usually about fit. When the committee analyzes possibilities for screener invites, grades are usually an important part of the process. If you get a callback, it usually means that the firm is interested; you have a good personality; and they want to make sure you vibe with members of the firm. I daresay that grades do not matter much at this point in the game. I was median at a top 20 school, got a screener at a very good firm, got a callback, and got the only offer for that practice group. My grades definitely were not what the firm usually goes for. Be confident.

So I have a related question about a firm that is really not out of my league. I had a callback, and two days later was given a call by one of the lawyers who interviewed me telling me how much he enjoyed meeting me and how impressed he was and blah blah the whole schtick, and offering me to join the firm. That was followed up by and offer letter from the recruiting dept, and several other congratulatory emails from two other lawyers I had met with. The following day, I got another call from the recruiting department telling me it was all a mistake, that I did not have an offer, and that my application was no longer under consideration, and good luck.

I have other offers from other similar firms ("better" firms arguably) so I'm trying to figure out what's going on. If it's "fit" then why the enthusiastic show of support from the lawyers at the firm in the first place? It would have been better for my own sanity if they just told me "no, sorry" after the callback - that at least would have been understandable.

Anonymous User wrote:

jacketyellow wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:Question for people familiar with what goes down in the hiring committee meetings...So I recently had a callback with a firm that is very "out of my league." (V10) I'm top 20% at a top 30 law school, no journal, no real work experience before law school, went to an unheard of undergraduate university and majored in fine arts. I would like to believe I am personable and interview well. Not URM. Anyways...the question is...after the callback, is it purely based on how that interview went? Or are my mediocre credentials/work experience going to be brought up?

Sincerely,
Suddenly insecure

After the screening interview, the callback is usually about fit. When the committee analyzes possibilities for screener invites, grades are usually an important part of the process. If you get a callback, it usually means that the firm is interested; you have a good personality; and they want to make sure you vibe with members of the firm. I daresay that grades do not matter much at this point in the game. I was median at a top 20 school, got a screener at a very good firm, got a callback, and got the only offer for that practice group. My grades definitely were not what the firm usually goes for. Be confident.

So I have a related question about a firm that is really not out of my league. I had a callback, and two days later was given a call by one of the lawyers who interviewed me telling me how much he enjoyed meeting me and how impressed he was and blah blah the whole schtick, and offering me to join the firm. That was followed up by and offer letter from the recruiting dept, and several other congratulatory emails from two other lawyers I had met with. The following day, I got another call from the recruiting department telling me it was all a mistake, that I did not have an offer, and that my application was no longer under consideration, and good luck.

I have other offers from other similar firms ("better" firms arguably) so I'm trying to figure out what's going on. If it's "fit" then why the enthusiastic show of support from the lawyers at the firm in the first place? It would have been better for my own sanity if they just told me "no, sorry" after the callback - that at least would have been understandable.

Anonymous User wrote: So I have a related question about a firm that is really not out of my league. I had a callback, and two days later was given a call by one of the lawyers who interviewed me telling me how much he enjoyed meeting me and how impressed he was and blah blah the whole schtick, and offering me to join the firm. That was followed up by and offer letter from the recruiting dept, and several other congratulatory emails from two other lawyers I had met with. The following day, I got another call from the recruiting department telling me it was all a mistake, that I did not have an offer, and that my application was no longer under consideration, and good luck.

I have other offers from other similar firms ("better" firms arguably) so I'm trying to figure out what's going on. If it's "fit" then why the enthusiastic show of support from the lawyers at the firm in the first place? It would have been better for my own sanity if they just told me "no, sorry" after the callback - that at least would have been understandable.

texas1100 wrote:Out this firm.

Anonymous User wrote:

texas1100 wrote:Out this firm.

sparkytrainer wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

texas1100 wrote:Out this firm.

You should send this to above the law.

Anonymous User wrote:I'm not going to name the firm, because if I'm the only person it happened to at this firm, that identifies me as well. Sorry.

sparkytrainer wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:I'm not going to name the firm, because if I'm the only person it happened to at this firm, that identifies me as well. Sorry.

We understand that, but once you have an offer elsewhere, you should at least consider it for future students. It is important for them to know.

Anonymous User wrote:

sparkytrainer wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:I'm not going to name the firm, because if I'm the only person it happened to at this firm, that identifies me as well. Sorry.

We understand that, but once you have an offer elsewhere, you should at least consider it for future students. It is important for them to know.

I appreciate that, and I did tip AtL, but that's the best I can do. Hope you understand.

mganteater wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

sparkytrainer wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:I'm not going to name the firm, because if I'm the only person it happened to at this firm, that identifies me as well. Sorry.

We understand that, but once you have an offer elsewhere, you should at least consider it for future students. It is important for them to know.

I appreciate that, and I did tip AtL, but that's the best I can do. Hope you understand.

Can you PM the firm? I had something nearly identical happen to me in the SoCal market

Anonymous User wrote:Could you give the approximate vault ranking of firm? V10, etc?

A. Nony Mouse wrote:The anon in question has said they don't want to give any more identifying information, so people need to stop asking.

(I'm also not sure how one fuck-up, which is admittedly awful for the person involved, says much about working at this firm that people need to know to make decisions about employment, but feel free to enlighten me.)

RaceJudicata wrote:

A. Nony Mouse wrote:The anon in question has said they don't want to give any more identifying information, so people need to stop asking.

(I'm also not sure how one fuck-up, which is admittedly awful for the person involved, says much about working at this firm that people need to know to make decisions about employment, but feel free to enlighten me.)

Yes, exactly. This sounds like a clerical error of sorts. Would suck to be on the receiving end of it... but I sorta doubt there were bad motives at play.