ITT we rank firms based on most atrocious opposing counsel Forum

[Mr. Fancy]

I'll say what we're all thinking.

Kirkland.

Kirkland even agrees.

[Anonymous User]

mckool smith

[Anonymous User]

Baker McKenzie in the tax controversy context.

[elendinel]

If you really want to do this, you go first, Nebby.

Department of Justice

Yes, all 10,000,000 DOJ lawyers are bad.

This is what I was referring to. Last thing we need on TLS is even more generalizations. How can this thread even be taken seriously. You work on a case with opposing counsel at firm X. The 3 people you work with are all rude and are disrespectful. Therefore, the entire 12 office, 1200 lawyer firm is rude and disrespectful.

Y so srs

[landshoes]

More stories plz

[TheSpecialist]

I had a terrible experience with someone in my specialty area at clifford chance. Pretty large M&A deal and he wouldn't accept a single change to any terms, down to a comma. We try scaling back our comments and he comes back with the same exact language. Guy is a complete ass when we try talking on the phone and won't budge an inch. In the meantime, client doesn't really care and just wants to get the deal done. We make no progress and the night before signing, we need to join an all hands on deck call (including both clients) to resolve. We explain what we've been saying for the past month, that we need X, Y, and Z at the bare minimum, and even that isn't market, etc. Clifford guy's response: "That sounds reasonable to me."

Thanks, Clifford guy. Could maybe have saved us some time if you said that about a month ago.

[JusticeJackson]

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[kykiske]

I've had a pleasant experience with bigger firms. Most of the attorneys jut want to get to the merits and not fight over dumb stuff (i.e., discovery deadlines).

The worst experience I've had has not even been with solos, but with various smaller boutique law firms. The attorneys I've encountered all have this strange "god" complex, as in they're objectively right, regardless of what the facts and law may say.

[Slytherpuff]

Weil Gotshal

Seconding this

[JusticeJackson]

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[landshoes]

Weil Gotshal

Seconding this

Stories? Details?

[Anonymous User]

Munger. by a mile.

That's interesting.

I'm working across Susman on a big matter and they are way sloppier/less competent than I expected.

[Anonymous User]

I had a terrible experience with someone in my specialty area at Clifford Chance. Pretty large M&A deal and he wouldn't accept a single change to any terms, down to a comma. We try scaling back our comments and he comes back with the same exact language. Guy is a complete ass when we try talking on the phone and won't budge an inch. In the meantime, client doesn't really care and just wants to get the deal done. We make no progress and the night before signing, we need to join an all hands on deck call (including both clients) to resolve. We explain what we've been saying for the past month, that we need X, Y, and Z at the bare minimum, and even that isn't market, etc. Clifford guy's response: "That sounds reasonable to me."

Thanks, Clifford guy. Could maybe have saved us some time if you said that about a month ago.

Makes sense, clifford chance is filled with some super shitty ppl

[Pokemon]

I had a terrible experience with someone in my specialty area at Clifford Chance. Pretty large M&A deal and he wouldn't accept a single change to any terms, down to a comma. We try scaling back our comments and he comes back with the same exact language. Guy is a complete ass when we try talking on the phone and won't budge an inch. In the meantime, client doesn't really care and just wants to get the deal done. We make no progress and the night before signing, we need to join an all hands on deck call (including both clients) to resolve. We explain what we've been saying for the past month, that we need X, Y, and Z at the bare minimum, and even that isn't market, etc. Clifford guy's response: "That sounds reasonable to me."

Thanks, Clifford guy. Could maybe have saved us some time if you said that about a month ago.

Makes sense, clifford Chance is filled with some super shitty ppl

Ny office? I have found magic firms to be very difficult and always assumed it was so because of limited experience makes them stick at precedent at all cost even if changes would be better for all parties involved.

[Anonymous User]

Gordon Rees.

[Anonymous User]

Pro pers and solos from TTTTs. Although I had a basic negligence case with a very reasonable and not outrageous 2016 Infilaw grad. Compared to the usual ones I deal with, he was great to work with.

[Anonymous User]

I will say - I think it's worse going against incompetent attorneys than competent assholes. On a pro bono matter I was against a small firm in the deep South - every motion looks like it was written by a tenth grader with a weak grasp on both the law and the English language. And I feel like the judge went out of their way to not call them on their bullshit.

I've had dickish opposing counsel from other Big Law firms, but I'll take that any day.

[FSK]

Based on the exhibits I've reviewed while clerking it is 100% without a doubt the shitty small firms.

[grand inquisitor]

i loathe weil. quinn people have been really sweet.

[barkschool]

If you really want to do this, you go first, Nebby.

Department of Justice

Yes, all 10,000,000 DOJ lawyers are bad.

This is what I was referring to. Last thing we need on TLS is even more generalizations. How can this thread even be taken seriously. You work on a case with opposing counsel at firm X. The 3 people you work with are all rude and are disrespectful. Therefore, the entire 12 office, 1200 lawyer firm is rude and disrespectful.

is this u or ur brother

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

Pro pers and solos from TTTTs. Although I had a basic negligence case with a very reasonable and not outrageous 2016 Infilaw grad. Compared to the usual ones I deal with, he was great to work with.

A 2016 Infilaw grad had a case big enough to demand a legitimate firm's time? And he was actually handling it well?

[clshopeful]

If you really want to do this, you go first, Nebby.

Department of Justice

Yes, all 10,000,000 DOJ lawyers are bad.

This is what I was referring to. Last thing we need on TLS is even more generalizations. How can this thread even be taken seriously. You work on a case with opposing counsel at firm X. The 3 people you work with are all rude and are disrespectful. Therefore, the entire 12 office, 1200 lawyer firm is rude and disrespectful.

is this u or ur brother

OK SO Then what happened?

[Anonymous User]

Munger. by a mile.

Seconded.

[lavarman84]

I will say - I think it's worse going against incompetent attorneys than competent assholes. On a pro bono matter I was against a small firm in the deep South - every motion looks like it was written by a tenth grader with a weak grasp on both the law and the English language. And I feel like the judge went out of their way to not call them on their bullshit.

I've had dickish opposing counsel from other Big Law firms, but I'll take that any day.

I feel like going against incompetent but well-meaning attorneys would be better than competent assholes.

[Anonymous User]

Munger. by a mile.

Seconded.

I am curious by this. Could either of you give any flavor to what makes MTO atrocious to go against?

I agree with the earlier posters. The most atrocious opposing counsel I have had to deal with are solo practitioners or small plaintiffs' side firms, in particular, those who do employment work. It can be pretty frustrating to deal with insanely overbroad discovery requests, followed by repeated frivolous motions to compels, having to constantly rebut crazy, totally unsupportable legal theories, and irrational settlement demands.