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I wanted to know my chances at Cravath. I'm a URM with a 3.5-3.6 GPA. I go to one of MVPD and am working at a V10 this summer. Really like my firm so want to be really selective at OCI.

Why do you want cravath?

OP.

Exit options, rotation system, prestige, complex high stakes work.

Anonymous User wrote:OP.

Exit options, rotation system, prestige, complex high stakes work.

I may have misread. Are you a 1L SA or a 2L talking about 3L OCI?

Think of all of the people I could try to impress by handing them my Cravath business card

Anonymous User wrote:OP.

Exit options, rotation system, prestige, complex high stakes work.

So just prestige then.

Let me advise you to stay where you are

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I got the impression he's a 1L summer entering OCI...His question doesn't seem that outlandish to me.

Humbert Humbert wrote:I got the impression he's a 1L summer entering OCI...His question doesn't seem that outlandish to me.

If this is true, then I retract my responses except for my prediction. I assumed 2L.

OP.

To clarify I am a 1L SA.

Anonymous User wrote:I wanted to know my chances at Cravath. I'm a URM with a 3.5-3.6 GPA. I go to one of MVPD and am working at a V10 this summer. Really like my firm so want to be really selective at OCI.

Chances are solid, assuming you interview well. As a 2L SA last summer at a v10, I summered with a 1L from t10-13 with probably similar GPA who is now at Cravath. Similarly situated 1L's are now at S&C and Wachtell. And the same thing happened the year before with a 1L from t12-15 who then went to Cravath 2L summer.

Anonymous User wrote:I wanted to know my chances at Cravath. I'm a URM with a 3.5-3.6 GPA. I go to one of MVPD and am working at a V10 this summer. Really like my firm so want to be really selective at OCI.

What's your school's median? This GPA would be a bit below what is typical for students with CSM offers at my school.

At least at some schools, the CSO will tell you the range of GPAs for people offered CBs last year.

OP.

We have a B+ curve. I'm safely in the top 25%. I know I am on the lower end of who Cravath usually accepts. This is why I asked if I have a "shot".

Anonymous User wrote:OP.

We have a B+ curve. I'm safely in the top 25%. I know I am on the lower end of who Cravath usually accepts. This is why I asked if I have a "shot".

Yes you have a shot. Definitely worth a bid

Anonymous User wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:I wanted to know my chances at Cravath. I'm a URM with a 3.5-3.6 GPA. I go to one of MVPD and am working at a V10 this summer. Really like my firm so want to be really selective at OCI.

Chances are solid, assuming you interview well. As a 2L SA last summer at a v10, I summered with a 1L from t10-13 with probably similar GPA who is now at Cravath. Similarly situated 1L's are now at S&C and Wachtell. And the same thing happened the year before with a 1L from t12-15 who then went to Cravath 2L summer.

+1. I think you have a good shot--your GPA sounds consistent with other who I know got offers from there that were URMs.

I don't work in NY, so someone please correct me if they disagree, but my impression is that lots of NY attorneys would think it was odd to leave a V10 you really like for CSM.

OP.

This is not a permanent decision. I will (hopefully) have offers to join both firms after next summer. I have to return to my 1L SA for the last couple weeks or so next summer.

Are you a diverse candidate by chance? May make a difference

unlicensedpotato wrote:I don't work in NY, so someone please correct me if they disagree, but my impression is that lots of NY attorneys would think it was odd to leave a V10 you really like for CSM.

I think this is more about whether its worth bidding on csm at OCI. The OP phrased it rather poorly such that it looked silly, but as a 1L going into OCI its reasonable to interview with all the top flight firms even if you already had a good 1L SA

jbagelboy wrote:
I think this is more about whether its worth bidding on csm at OCI. The OP phrased it rather poorly such that it looked silly, but as a 1L going into OCI its reasonable to interview with all the top flight firms even if you already had a good 1L SA

Anonymous User wrote:OP.

This is not a permanent decision. I will (hopefully) have offers to join both firms after next summer. I have to return to my 1L SA for the last couple weeks or so next summer.

My fault. Completely agree then that this would be a good split. It's definitely worth a bid.

jbagelboy wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:OP.

We have a B+ curve. I'm safely in the top 25%. I know I am on the lower end of who Cravath usually accepts. This is why I asked if I have a "shot".

Yes you have a shot. Definitely worth a bid

This. If you don't get a callback, then no biggie, you have your 1L firm and you save yourself a full-day interview gauntlet.

unlicensedpotato wrote:

jbagelboy wrote:
I think this is more about whether its worth bidding on csm at OCI. The OP phrased it rather poorly such that it looked silly, but as a 1L going into OCI its reasonable to interview with all the top flight firms even if you already had a good 1L SA

Anonymous User wrote:OP.

This is not a permanent decision. I will (hopefully) have offers to join both firms after next summer. I have to return to my 1L SA for the last couple weeks or so next summer.

My fault. Completely agree then that this would be a good split. It's definitely worth a bid.

not sure if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying but I just wanted to point out that Cravath has a policy of not allowing anyone to summer intern unless they agree not to intern with any other NYC firm. (this might be outdated I read it about a year ago)

Sploshy wrote:

unlicensedpotato wrote:

jbagelboy wrote:
I think this is more about whether its worth bidding on csm at OCI. The OP phrased it rather poorly such that it looked silly, but as a 1L going into OCI its reasonable to interview with all the top flight firms even if you already had a good 1L SA

Anonymous User wrote:OP.

This is not a permanent decision. I will (hopefully) have offers to join both firms after next summer. I have to return to my 1L SA for the last couple weeks or so next summer.

My fault. Completely agree then that this would be a good split. It's definitely worth a bid.

not sure if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying but I just wanted to point out that Cravath has a policy of not allowing anyone to summer intern unless they agree not to intern with any other NYC firm. (this might be outdated I read it about a year ago)

This is standard in NY, most firms prohibit NY/NY splits but make an exception for the 2 week victory lap at firms you worked at as a 1L and i'd be very surprised if this wasn't the case at Cravath.

OP - whether you should want to work at Cravath is a question you should consider very carefully but you are competitive, they will dip into classes for URMs and your 1L SA will probably be a major positive (NY firms love the opportunity to one up each other).

You definitely have a shot but I don't see why you would go to Cravath over a v10 you already like.

e. But yeah split away if you want. No harm from it.