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Anonymous because idk I don't really want my ethics judgments scrutinized later by employers.Anonymous User wrote:My law firm represents large financial banks. I am now aware, that a person who falsely claims to be an attorney and has a JD, is now working for my client, in a non-attorney capacity.
The person has never attended law school, but seems to have obtained a "JD preferred" position. He / She does not practice law, therefore there is no unauthorized practice issue. But this person did commit resume fraud which is a crime in my jurisdiction to obtain the position he / she now has. Do I have a duty to report this to my client?
Conversation between OP and state bar:magnum_law wrote:Calling flame. How does one confirm with the bar without revealing the person?
Please say how you found out the person in question was not barred without disclosing the person's name. What a feat that must have been.Anonymous User wrote:OP. Isn't a flame. But as one poster said above, if it's not hurting anyone, then maybe just let it go, and maybe I'm more personally upset that this person is a fraud and imitating my profession that I have earned.rpupkin wrote:Conversation between OP and state bar:magnum_law wrote:Calling flame. How does one confirm with the bar without revealing the person?
OP: Hi, I'm calling about a Mr. Mike Ross. Is there an attorney by that name who is admitted to the bar in this state?
State Bar: Let me check....uh....no, there's no "Mike Ross" admitted to the bar in this state.
OP: Thanks. I have a follow-up question. I know someone who is claiming to be licensed to practice law in this state but who is apparently not admitted to the bar. Is that an issue?
State Bar: Yes, of course it's an issue. Who is this person?
OP: I don't feel comfortable saying. I need to think about it.
State Bar: Please, can you give us a hint? Just something to go on here?
OP: Sorry, I can't help you.
If there was unauthorized practice of law issue, I wouldn't even be asking in this thread, no question I would report. I don't want the state bar to do a witch hunt for something that didn't happen, Unauthorized practice v. resume fraud. In light of their differences, the state bar only has authority to act on the former.
But that can't be right, as the OP claimed to have a conversation with the state bar ("The bar even wanted me to reveal this person so they can take action, I said I needed to think about it before I gave that information.")1styearlateral wrote: Please say how you found out the person in question was not barred without disclosing the person's name. What a feat that must have been.
Unless of course you misspoke and meant to say you inserted said person's name through the state bar's attorney search function.
rpupkin is incredible! I always enjoy his posts.rpupkin wrote:Conversation between OP and state bar:magnum_law wrote:Calling flame. How does one confirm with the bar without revealing the person?
OP: Hi, I'm calling about a Mr. Mike Ross. Is there an attorney by that name who is admitted to the bar in this state?
State Bar: Let me check....uh....no, there's no "Mike Ross" admitted to the bar in this state.
OP: Thanks. I have a follow-up question. I know someone who is claiming to be licensed to practice law in this state but who is apparently not admitted to the bar. Is that an issue?
State Bar: Yes, of course it's an issue. Who is this person?
OP: I don't feel comfortable saying. I need to think about it.
State Bar: Please, can you give us a hint? Just something to go on here?
OP: Sorry, I can't help you.
Yeah you're right, I missed that. Sounds like BS but if somehow it isn't, I wouldn't get involved unless I was at risk of losing my own license by not disclosing/reporting. Too risky to have it blow up in your face if you're wrong, and there's no reward money for outing someone.rpupkin wrote:But that can't be right, as the OP claimed to have a conversation with the state bar ("The bar even wanted me to reveal this person so they can take action, I said I needed to think about it before I gave that information.")1styearlateral wrote: Please say how you found out the person in question was not barred without disclosing the person's name. What a feat that must have been.
Unless of course you misspoke and meant to say you inserted said person's name through the state bar's attorney search function.
Flame or you just need to get a life.Anonymous User wrote:OP. Isn't a flame. But as one poster said above, if it's not hurting anyone, then maybe just let it go, and maybe I'm more personally upset that this person is a fraud and imitating my profession that I have earned.rpupkin wrote:Conversation between OP and state bar:magnum_law wrote:Calling flame. How does one confirm with the bar without revealing the person?
OP: Hi, I'm calling about a Mr. Mike Ross. Is there an attorney by that name who is admitted to the bar in this state?
State Bar: Let me check....uh....no, there's no "Mike Ross" admitted to the bar in this state.
OP: Thanks. I have a follow-up question. I know someone who is claiming to be licensed to practice law in this state but who is apparently not admitted to the bar. Is that an issue?
State Bar: Yes, of course it's an issue. Who is this person?
OP: I don't feel comfortable saying. I need to think about it.
State Bar: Please, can you give us a hint? Just something to go on here?
OP: Sorry, I can't help you.
If there was unauthorized practice of law issue, I wouldn't even be asking in this thread, no question I would report. I don't want the state bar to do a witch hunt for something that didn't happen, Unauthorized practice v. resume fraud. In light of their differences, the state bar only has authority to act on the former.