Georgetown EIW - 2016 Forum

[Anonymous User]

Does a transfer from a T4 have a realistic shot at LA firms? Only if they're on the lower end of the Vault rankings? Waste of bids? Some family ties there but nothing too significant other than a desire to be there.

GULC tends to send people most to NY and DC, so even a non-transfer GULC student is gonna have a moderately tough time getting people in there. I think it might depend on where your T4 is (is it in CA or near LA?) and what your grades there were.

I'd say push hard for NY if you really want to maximize your Biglaw chances - GULC is a coin toss for BigLaw in the first place, being a lower-ranked school transfer isn't going to help your chances.

(Disclaimer: Not a transfer and did not target LA for OCI. Am working off of personal experience and those of friends, general data on GULC's hiring statistics, plus where GULC students tend to go).

Class of 17 transfer, I can confirm this

Can you give more insight into this? T4 transfer here --I have a choice between GULC and UCLA, and wondering if UCLA is better for biglaw in California?

[Anonymous User]

Does a transfer from a T4 have a realistic shot at LA firms? Only if they're on the lower end of the Vault rankings? Waste of bids? Some family ties there but nothing too significant other than a desire to be there.

GULC tends to send people most to NY and DC, so even a non-transfer GULC student is gonna have a moderately tough time getting people in there. I think it might depend on where your T4 is (is it in CA or near LA?) and what your grades there were.

I'd say push hard for NY if you really want to maximize your Biglaw chances - GULC is a coin toss for BigLaw in the first place, being a lower-ranked school transfer isn't going to help your chances.

(Disclaimer: Not a transfer and did not target LA for OCI. Am working off of personal experience and those of friends, general data on GULC's hiring statistics, plus where GULC students tend to go).

Class of 17 transfer, I can confirm this

Can you give more insight into this? T4 transfer here --I have a choice between GULC and UCLA, and wondering if UCLA is better for biglaw in California?

It's hard to choose between the two, I know I got hired because of gulc alumni at the firm I ended up at. I interviewed in a lot of other markets (while eiw bidding exclusive NYC), but massmailing, and non-gulc interviewers I believe found it hard to get past my t4

There are probably way more ucla alumns at the firms in Cali, but you've gotta understand you roll the big law dice whenever you go.

[Anonymous User]

Does a transfer from a T4 have a realistic shot at LA firms? Only if they're on the lower end of the Vault rankings? Waste of bids? Some family ties there but nothing too significant other than a desire to be there.

GULC tends to send people most to NY and DC, so even a non-transfer GULC student is gonna have a moderately tough time getting people in there. I think it might depend on where your T4 is (is it in CA or near LA?) and what your grades there were.

I'd say push hard for NY if you really want to maximize your Biglaw chances - GULC is a coin toss for BigLaw in the first place, being a lower-ranked school transfer isn't going to help your chances.

(Disclaimer: Not a transfer and did not target LA for OCI. Am working off of personal experience and those of friends, general data on GULC's hiring statistics, plus where GULC students tend to go).

Class of 17 transfer, I can confirm this

Can you give more insight into this? T4 transfer here --I have a choice between GULC and UCLA, and wondering if UCLA is better for biglaw in California?

It's hard to choose between the two, I know I got hired because of gulc alumni at the firm I ended up at. I interviewed in a lot of other markets (while eiw bidding exclusive NYC), but massmailing, and non-gulc interviewers I believe found it hard to get past my t4

There are probably way more ucla alumns at the firms in Cali, but you've gotta understand you roll the big law dice whenever you go.

Thanks for the input. I think I'm leaning more towards UCLA. If anyone else has any more information or have friends with similar experiences, please share!

[backseat_bandit]

Any thoughts on the London offices post-Brexit? Or have everyone flushed all London dreamz down the toilet

[iwishyoubestluck]

Is it too soon to get this cycle's EIW thread rolling? I met with a Career Counselor last week who told me that, despite what I thought was the conventional wisdom to bid conservatively, I should to be more not less aggressive in bidding firms where I was below median, both in DC and generally. Wished I'd had a EIW thread to share it in

I can give specific transfer advice if anyone wants it (quote and I can PM).

A word of advice, our career center is pretty good at hustling to get you in front of interviewers. But I would STRONGY CAUTION their advice upon all other matters.

TLS wisdom provides a solid set of tips that should be followed, which are often contradictory to OCS advice.

I would love to get some transfer-specific advice! May I get a PM?

[Anonymous User]

Question:

T4 bum transferring to GULC. Do I need ties to bid on DE? From what I understand NY is the only state you don't really need ties, I'm wondering if the same is true for DE? I'm bidding fairly conservative (with a couple reaches) and thought I might bid a couple DE firms because their bid/interview ratio is attractive?

[Anonymous User]

Could use some thoughts on last-minute bidlist. 3.56 GPA (top 20% according to rank estimator), earned useless graduate degree after undergrad & worked in higher ed for a bit, only bidding DC offices (can't move b/c spouse), only interested in litigation (preferably civil, would consider white collar defense), plan on bailing big law for PI/Gov. as soon as loans are paid down (<2 years).


1. Crowell & Moring
2. Hogan Lovells
3. Latham
4. Sidley
5. Baker Botts
6. O’Melveny & Meyers
7. Steptoe & Johnson
8. Vinson & Elkins
9. Goodwin Proctor
10. Paul Weiss
11. Skadden
12. Akin Gump
13. Jones Day
14. Wiley Rein
15. Clifford Chance
16. Chadbourne & Parke
17. Willkie Farr & Gallagher
18. squire patton boggs
19. McDermott Will & Emery
20. Dechert
21. Venable
22. Wilson Sonsini
23. Hollingsworth
24. K & L Gates
25. Paul Hastings

-beardpapa

[Glasseyes]

Could use some thoughts on last-minute bidlist. 3.56 GPA (top 20% according to rank estimator), earned useless graduate degree after undergrad & worked in higher ed for a bit, only bidding DC offices (can't move b/c spouse), only interested in litigation (preferably civil, would consider white collar defense), plan on bailing big law for PI/Gov. as soon as loans are paid down (<2 years).


1. Crowell & Moring
2. Hogan Lovells
3. Latham
4. Sidley
5. Baker Botts
6. O’Melveny & Meyers
7. Steptoe & Johnson
8. Vinson & Elkins
9. Goodwin Proctor
10. Paul Weiss
11. Skadden
12. Akin Gump
13. Jones Day
14. Wiley Rein
15. Clifford Chance
16. Chadbourne & Parke
17. Willkie Farr & Gallagher
18. Squire Patton Boggs
19. McDermott Will & Emery
20. Dechert
21. Venable
22. Wilson Sonsini
23. Hollingsworth
24. K & L Gates
25. Paul Hastings

-beardpapa

Your gpa is solid enough to give you a reasonable shot at most of those, but it's not so high that you're gonna drown in preselects, ergo I'd probably use all 50 bids in the hopes of a few more preselects. Odds of you getting much outside your top 10 are pretty slim, and you absolutely won't get any outside top 20 that aren't preselects. Data point: I bid exclusively DC last year, bid all 50 slots, had at minimum 3 preselects (that I know of) and only got 9 screeners initially. I padded that out through open sign up and shadow schedules, but don't underestimate how many people want DC and how few slots there are. Just add every firm with a lit or white collar practice. Cadwalader, Hunton, and Debevoise are a few off the top of my head, and there are undoubtedly more (may as well throw a low bid to Covington, WilmerHale, and Arnold and Porter since they all hire larger classes, even if they like top grades).

Also just curious why Crowell is so high when something comparably less miserable and prob better paying like Paul Hastings is so low? If memory serves, Crowell has a pretty weak offer rate, ala K&L.

ETA: and why not Akin Gump? I feel like you're just missing a handful of places there's no reason to skip, considering how hard it is to land anything in DC, never mind the places you actually want.

[Anonymous User]

also checking in about a last-minute bid list. high 3.7x, top 5%, diverse, several years paralegal experience before law school. strong public interest slant.

goals are to pay off debt and get litigation experience before lateraling to public interest impact lit, maybe gov. looking for strong litigation practice in DC (appellate would be cool but I understand breaking into that is unlikely without a COA clerkship) or white collar defense. would also consider nyc or sf. would like to split the summer if possible.

1. williams & connolly dc
2. covington dc
3. wilmerhale dc
4. akin gump dc
5. skadden dc
6. cleary dc
7. debevoise dc
8. cravath nyc
9. mofo dc
10. latham sf
11. o'melveny & myers dc
12. hogan dc
diversity resume collect: S&C nyc

[Anonymous User]

Transferring from a TTTT (CA) to GULC, can anyone give me advice on my bids? Too aggressive? For what it's worth my T4 gpa is a 3.73.
I put MB as bid 1 because I know a partner.
Ultimately want to move back to CA, but wouldn't mind working in NY either.

Mayer Brown DC
Alston & Bird NY
Cooley CA
Venable NY
Jones Day CA
Foley & Lardner CA
Morgan Lewis NY
Wilson Sonsini CA
Vinson Elkins NY
Linklaters NY
Milbank CA
Hogan NY
Dechert NY
DLA Piper CA
Kasowitz NY
Sheppard NY
Hunton NY
Kramer NY
O'Melveny CA
Mofo DC
Kaye Sholer NY
Cahill Gordon NY
Pillsbury CA
Baker Hostetler NY

[barkschool]

I find it funny for anyone who adds "public interest" to their post like its a gold sticker

[Anonymous User]

I find it funny for anyone who adds "public interest" to their post like its a gold sticker

They didn't mean it as gold. They just meant it to say "look, my resume doesn't scream 'private sector,' but here we are, so help plz."

[WhiskeyAndCupcakes]

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[buckiguy_sucks]

when do we hear back about what interviews we got?

[buckiguy_sucks]

Went through last years it was 28th for journal 29th for screeners. Looks like we'll probably get them the day the cancellation period is scheduled to start which is the 26th

[BmoreOrLess]

when do we hear back about what interviews we got?

It was a week and a half before EIW last year.

[Anonymous User]

Is mass mailing to just ask for a pre-select a thing? More or less for small secondary markets?

-MS

[NimChimpsky]

I probably spent too much time trying to "game" my bid list. I assigned points to firms based on a million different metrics, weighting some higher than others. Once I ended up with a list ranked by raw preference, I then moved things up or down a few notches based on last year's ratio of bids-to-interviews for each firm. So, for example, on my preferences list, Jones Day was in the middle of the pack, but they have so few slots per total bids, and my OCS counselor said they are "hot" this year, so I moved them up significantly.

My GPA is high enough so not many firms were outside my reach, exactly, but three firms--Cravath, Sullivan & Cromwell, and Cleary--had median GPA selects last year a tick above me, so even though both Cravath and Sullivan ended up in my top three or four rankings-wise, I bumped them down, thinking there'd be less competition there for slots. I don't know. I know there's not actually a science here, but it was kind of fun pretending there was.

My list (all NY, interested in lit):

1. Boies, Schiller
2. Latham & Watkins
3. Gibson, Dunn
4. Kirkland & Ellis
5. Jones Day
6. Paul, Weiss
7. Cravath, Swaine
8. Davis Polk
9. Simpson Thacher
10. Sullivan & Cromwell
11. Sidley Austin
12. Debevoise
13. Weil, Gotshal
14. WilmerHale
15. Cleary, Gottlieb
16. Ropes & Gray
17. Paul Hastings
18. Akin Gump
19. White & Case
20. O'Melveny & Myers
21. Mayer Brown
22. Cahill Gordon
23. Proskauer Rose
24. Hogan Lovells
25. Shearman & Sterling
26. cooley llp
27. Goodwin Procter
28. Milbank, Tweed
29. Cadwalader
30. Fried Frank

ETA: No Skadden, as I set up an interview with them independent of EIW, since they basically encouraged students to via email.

[buckiguy_sucks]

My list (all NY, interested in lit):

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sounds to me like you considered the appropriate number of factors and did the appropriate amount of gaming.

[Anonymous User]

Is mass mailing to just ask for a pre-select a thing? More or less for small secondary markets?

-MS

bump

[Anonymous User]

Is mass mailing to just ask for a pre-select a thing? More or less for small secondary markets?

-MS

bump

I've never heard of this, but I had a good success rate emailing firms who I didn't get thru my bidding to interview me by emailing the recruiting contact and asking for a slot.

Went from 9 screeners to ~ 18 doing this.

This is one of the better times to mail the head recruiter because they're the ones scheduling these slots.

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone know how important Journal is on a resume...especially for a transfer student? I'm currently in the processing of doing the write-on, but because I work full time, and helping my mom (she just had surgery), I don't think I'll be able to get it done, and if I do it'll be pretty crappy--hence won't get on a journal.

Will it hurt me in OCI?

[TLSModBot]

A very small number of elite firms care (Williams and Connolly comes to mind). The rest don't care at all. At. All.

[Anonymous User]

A very small number of elite firms care (Williams and Connolly comes to mind). The rest don't care at all. At. All.

Thanks. Didn't bid any elite firms. Is the same true for firms that "prefer" a journal?

[TLSModBot]

A very small number of elite firms care (Williams and Connolly comes to mind). The rest don't care at all. At. All.

Thanks. Didn't bid any elite firms. Is the same true for firms that "prefer" a journal?

If there are two identical candidates who interview equally well one has journal, maybe that tips slightly in their favor. But it's like talking about the importance of sorts for your law school application: there are just other things that matter so, so much more (School, GPA, and interview ability)