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I'd love to transition to something 9 to 5 but still be able to pay my bills. It doesn't have to pay as much as biglaw or have the income upside of law. Just steady and lacking the crushing stress and anxiety of law.

The answer might be, "None. You're fucked." But I'm curious. I'm ready to get out.

There are too many to list.

OK, but any that I don't have to go back to school again to do?

Yea. There are tons.

I know you're being sarcastic, but other people seem to have jobs. Some of them even appear to live in decent places.

My wife makes low six figures in a marketing position. No advanced degrees, but several years of experience.

I wasn't being sarcastic at all. There are literally tons. Tech, finance, sales, TONS.

gaddockteeg wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic at all. There are literally tons. Tech, finance, sales, TONS.

think about why the bolded doesn't make any sense and then respond

You can make six figures in pretty much any field if you're good at what you do and a little bit lucky. I'm having trouble thinking of a field where you can't. There are teachers, janitors, cops, salesman, mechanics, etc. that are pulling down 6 figures. Without knowing your skills/interests this is impossible to answer with any specificity.

I was a journalist before law school and biglaw, so I don't exactly have a secondary skill set that translates to a career change where a decent living is available.

gaddockteeg wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic at all. There are literally tons. Tech, finance, sales, TONS.

Are there though? The median income for college grads right out of college is under 50,000.

Bureau of Labor Statistics has these numbers: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

As far as I know, there aren't just a TON of very high paying jobs EVERYWHERE. Most people make a lot less than 100K.

Dcc617 wrote:

gaddockteeg wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic at all. There are literally tons. Tech, finance, sales, TONS.

Are there though? The median income for college grads right out of college is under 50,000.

Bureau of Labor Statistics has these numbers: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

As far as I know, there aren't just a TON of very high paying jobs EVERYWHERE. Most people make a lot less than 100K.

Ok, but citing the median salary "right out of college" doesn't address OP's question. The fact is there are many, many different careers that offer salaries (maybe not entry-level salaries) in the 100-150k range. For example, this thread illustrates the variety of such careers.

B0bL0blaw wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

gaddockteeg wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic at all. There are literally tons. Tech, finance, sales, TONS.

Are there though? The median income for college grads right out of college is under 50,000.

Bureau of Labor Statistics has these numbers: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

As far as I know, there aren't just a TON of very high paying jobs EVERYWHERE. Most people make a lot less than 100K.

Ok, but citing the median salary "right out of college" doesn't address OP's question. The fact is there are many, many different careers that offer salaries (maybe not entry-level salaries) in the 100-150k range. For example, this thread illustrates the variety of such careers.

The link I posted has the median income for college grads at 60K overall. A quick Google search shows that around 110K a year puts you in top 10% of the population.

Dcc617 wrote:

B0bL0blaw wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

gaddockteeg wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic at all. There are literally tons. Tech, finance, sales, TONS.

Are there though? The median income for college grads right out of college is under 50,000.

Bureau of Labor Statistics has these numbers: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

As far as I know, there aren't just a TON of very high paying jobs EVERYWHERE. Most people make a lot less than 100K.

Ok, but citing the median salary "right out of college" doesn't address OP's question. The fact is there are many, many different careers that offer salaries (maybe not entry-level salaries) in the 100-150k range. For example, this thread illustrates the variety of such careers.

The link I posted has the median income for college grads at 60K overall. A quick Google search shows that around 110K a year puts you in top 10% of the population.

ok, so 10% = how many millions of Americans?

Dcc617 wrote:

B0bL0blaw wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

gaddockteeg wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic at all. There are literally tons. Tech, finance, sales, TONS.

Are there though? The median income for college grads right out of college is under 50,000.

Bureau of Labor Statistics has these numbers: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

As far as I know, there aren't just a TON of very high paying jobs EVERYWHERE. Most people make a lot less than 100K.

Ok, but citing the median salary "right out of college" doesn't address OP's question. The fact is there are many, many different careers that offer salaries (maybe not entry-level salaries) in the 100-150k range. For example, this thread illustrates the variety of such careers.

The link I posted has the median income for college grads at 60K overall. A quick Google search shows that around 110K a year puts you in top 10% of the population.

300 million people in USA. top 10% according to you make 110k+ So 30 million people in the usa make over 110k. TONS. Are we still having a conversation?

Start a porno production company

Dcc617 wrote:

B0bL0blaw wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

gaddockteeg wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic at all. There are literally tons. Tech, finance, sales, TONS.

Are there though? The median income for college grads right out of college is under 50,000.

Bureau of Labor Statistics has these numbers: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

As far as I know, there aren't just a TON of very high paying jobs EVERYWHERE. Most people make a lot less than 100K.

Ok, but citing the median salary "right out of college" doesn't address OP's question. The fact is there are many, many different careers that offer salaries (maybe not entry-level salaries) in the 100-150k range. For example, this thread illustrates the variety of such careers.

The link I posted has the median income for college grads at 60K overall. A quick Google search shows that around 110K a year puts you in top 10% of the population.

Doesn't around 45% of the US population not pay income taxes because they are so poor? And don't the majority of the US population not graduate from college?

Being top 10% of that pool isn't an accomplishment or difficult with the right work ethic and some luck, as noted above...

gaddockteeg wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

B0bL0blaw wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

gaddockteeg wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic at all. There are literally tons. Tech, finance, sales, TONS.

Are there though? The median income for college grads right out of college is under 50,000.

Bureau of Labor Statistics has these numbers: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

As far as I know, there aren't just a TON of very high paying jobs EVERYWHERE. Most people make a lot less than 100K.

Ok, but citing the median salary "right out of college" doesn't address OP's question. The fact is there are many, many different careers that offer salaries (maybe not entry-level salaries) in the 100-150k range. For example, this thread illustrates the variety of such careers.

The link I posted has the median income for college grads at 60K overall. A quick Google search shows that around 110K a year puts you in top 10% of the population.

300 million people in USA. top 10% according to you make 110k+ So 30 million people in the usa make over 110k. TONS. Are we still having a conversation?

Ok, I am going to assume that you two are just quickly eyeballing this stuff instead of actually thinking it through.

Okay, so according to the US census (this link, Table A2), the median HOUSEHOLD income is 53K. The 80th percentile of HOUSEHOLD incomes is 112K. Now, household does not necessarily mean that it is from a single job. For example, if you are married, then your combined spousal income at the 80th percentile is 122K. At the 90th percentile it is 157K.

According to this census report, only around 14 million people across ALL EDUCATION LEVELS, including doctors, dentists, engineers etc, make over 100K. So, no, there are not 30 million jobs for college grads to make 100K.

My point is that OP needs to reconsider what a "good" income is. There are not a ton of very high paying jobs for the taking.

Dcc617 wrote:

gaddockteeg wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

B0bL0blaw wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

gaddockteeg wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic at all. There are literally tons. Tech, finance, sales, TONS.

Are there though? The median income for college grads right out of college is under 50,000.

Bureau of Labor Statistics has these numbers: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

As far as I know, there aren't just a TON of very high paying jobs EVERYWHERE. Most people make a lot less than 100K.

Ok, but citing the median salary "right out of college" doesn't address OP's question. The fact is there are many, many different careers that offer salaries (maybe not entry-level salaries) in the 100-150k range. For example, this thread illustrates the variety of such careers.

The link I posted has the median income for college grads at 60K overall. A quick Google search shows that around 110K a year puts you in top 10% of the population.

300 million people in USA. top 10% according to you make 110k+ So 30 million people in the usa make over 110k. TONS. Are we still having a conversation?

Ok, I am going to assume that you two are just quickly eyeballing this stuff instead of actually thinking it through.

Okay, so according to the US census (this link, Table A2), the median HOUSEHOLD income is 53K. The 80th percentile of HOUSEHOLD incomes is 112K. Now, household does not necessarily mean that it is from a single job. For example, if you are married, then your combined spousal income at the 80th percentile is 122K. At the 90th percentile it is 157K.

According to this census report, only around 14 million people across ALL EDUCATION LEVELS, including doctors, dentists, engineers etc, make over 100K. So, no, there are not 30 million jobs for college grads to make 100K.

My point is that OP needs to reconsider what a "good" income is. There are not a ton of very high paying jobs for the taking.

You're still going off on a tangent. Whether the number of people is 14M or 30M is besides the point.

What the OP asked was: "Non-legal jobs that pay six figures -- I'd love to transition to something 9 to 5 but still be able to pay my bills. It doesn't have to pay as much as biglaw or have the income upside of law. Just steady and lacking the crushing stress and anxiety of law."

The answer is that there are many, many career paths outside of law that can lead to six-figure incomes. Marketing, sales, software development, finance, military, engineer, police, teacher, airline pilot, pharmacist, nursing, physician assistant, economist ...

B0bL0blaw wrote:
You're still going off on a tangent. Whether the number of people is 14M or 30M is besides the point.

What the OP asked was: "Non-legal jobs that pay six figures -- I'd love to transition to something 9 to 5 but still be able to pay my bills. It doesn't have to pay as much as biglaw or have the income upside of law. Just steady and lacking the crushing stress and anxiety of law."

The answer is that there are many, many career paths outside of law that can lead to six-figure incomes. Marketing, sales, software development, finance, military, engineer, police, teacher, airline pilot, pharmacist, nursing, physician assistant, economist ...

Nope, my point is that there are in fact NOT a lot of six figure jobs out there for OP. A lot of the jobs that pay that that much require a lot of additional schooling (eg, doctor, dentist, etc), 10+ years of experience (military officer), strong combo of luck and skill (probably sales), or are in a very high COL area. Don't give bad advice and make it seem like there are all these plum 6 figure jobs for the taking.

OP, there are some jobs available for 100K, but they probably won't be 9-5 and will probably require more schooling and training. However, 100K is a VERY high income for a single earner. Lower your sights a little and there will be a lot more available.

Dcc617 wrote:

B0bL0blaw wrote:
You're still going off on a tangent. Whether the number of people is 14M or 30M is besides the point.

What the OP asked was: "Non-legal jobs that pay six figures -- I'd love to transition to something 9 to 5 but still be able to pay my bills. It doesn't have to pay as much as biglaw or have the income upside of law. Just steady and lacking the crushing stress and anxiety of law."

The answer is that there are many, many career paths outside of law that can lead to six-figure incomes. Marketing, sales, software development, finance, military, engineer, police, teacher, airline pilot, pharmacist, nursing, physician assistant, economist ...

Nope, my point is that there are in fact NOT a lot of six figure jobs out there for OP. A lot of the jobs that pay that that much require a lot of additional schooling (eg, doctor, dentist, etc), 10+ years of experience (military officer), strong combo of luck and skill (probably sales), or are in a very high COL area. Don't give bad advice and make it seem like there are all these plum 6 figure jobs for the taking.

OP, there are some jobs available for 100K, but they probably won't be 9-5 and will probably require more schooling and training. However, 100K is a VERY high income for a single earner. Lower your sights a little and there will be a lot more available.

I actually agree with everything in bold, and it is consistent with what I've been saying all along. I don't know where you got the idea that I thought OP could immediately get one of these jobs without relevant experience. From my first post in this thread -- "My wife makes low six figures in a marketing position. No advanced degrees, but several years of experience," this is exactly what I've been saying.

It sounds like you just want to have a disagreement, but it's not clear what specific part of any of my posts you disagree with.

B0bL0blaw wrote:

Dcc617 wrote:

B0bL0blaw wrote:
You're still going off on a tangent. Whether the number of people is 14M or 30M is besides the point.

What the OP asked was: "Non-legal jobs that pay six figures -- I'd love to transition to something 9 to 5 but still be able to pay my bills. It doesn't have to pay as much as biglaw or have the income upside of law. Just steady and lacking the crushing stress and anxiety of law."

The answer is that there are many, many career paths outside of law that can lead to six-figure incomes. Marketing, sales, software development, finance, military, engineer, police, teacher, airline pilot, pharmacist, nursing, physician assistant, economist ...

Nope, my point is that there are in fact NOT a lot of six figure jobs out there for OP. A lot of the jobs that pay that that much require a lot of additional schooling (eg, doctor, dentist, etc), 10+ years of experience (military officer), strong combo of luck and skill (probably sales), or are in a very high COL area. Don't give bad advice and make it seem like there are all these plum 6 figure jobs for the taking.

OP, there are some jobs available for 100K, but they probably won't be 9-5 and will probably require more schooling and training. However, 100K is a VERY high income for a single earner. Lower your sights a little and there will be a lot more available.

I actually agree with everything in bold, and it is consistent with what I've been saying all along. I don't know where you got the idea that I thought OP could immediately get one of these jobs without relevant experience. From my first post in this thread -- "My wife makes low six figures in a marketing position. No advanced degrees, but several years of experience," this is exactly what I've been saying.

It sounds like you just want to have a disagreement, but it's not clear what specific part of any of my posts you disagree with.

So I just reread the thread and realized that I had been attributing the work of several posters to you. I am disagreeing with the people who keep saying that it's "easy to be in the top 5 or 10 percent of income earners" or that there are "literally too many to count." Because there are not, and a quick google search is all it takes to disprove this boomer myth. In fact, only about 40 professions earn that much.

But, for OP, I would say to sit down and figure out what income you actually need. Could you find a 9-5 government job that pays 60K with benefits? Sure. And in a lot of places that is a comfortable life.

I guess it just irks me when wealthy people assume that the average income is WAY higher than it is and then complain about stuff/blame poor people for being poor.

I'm the OP here. I know that average incomes aren't $100K. I'm not "wealthy" at all, though I work in biglaw. I made less than $40K a year until I went back to school after I was 30. What I was genuinely wondering whether there were any jobs available to people with a few years experience lawyering that might pay reasonably well and also allow for a decent lifestyle.

It sounds like a "lifestyle" firm might be the best option, though.

Anonymous User wrote:I'm the OP here. I know that average incomes aren't $100K. I'm not "wealthy" at all, though I work in biglaw. I made less than $40K a year until I went back to school after I was 30. What I was genuinely wondering whether there were any jobs available to people with a few years experience lawyering that might pay reasonably well and also allow for a decent lifestyle.

It sounds like a "lifestyle" firm might be the best option, though.

Not sure you will be making 100K in any of these jobs, but you could try to get in to HR or Compliance. Skills from the legal profession seem marginally applicable in these types of roles.

many of my friends are making 100k ish or more in construction about 10 years or so out of high school. u work lots of OT but when you're off the clock you're off the clock, no email checking bullshit