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Or maybe society values modesty. And society doesn't want to make personal worth or self-esteem dependent on how much money you make any more than it already does.R. Jeeves wrote:The taboo probably originates from the fact that people can be insecure about how much they make.
Maybe theres a good case to be made for trying phase out the taboo, but i dont think its origins are a great mystery.
Yea this tooPeanutsNJam wrote:Or maybe society values modesty. And society doesn't want to make personal worth or self-esteem dependent on how much money you make any more than it already does.R. Jeeves wrote:The taboo probably originates from the fact that people can be insecure about how much they make.
Maybe theres a good case to be made for trying phase out the taboo, but i dont think its origins are a great mystery.
The fact that it would help employees in general is part of the reason it's taboo.BrokenMouse wrote: I would think it is no big dealand if anything it helps us the employees in general.
PeanutsNJam wrote:How would being able to brag about making 160k at cocktail parties help employees.
PeanutsNJam wrote:How would being able to brag about making 160k at cocktail parties help employees.
Except law firm salaries are publicly disclosed on the Vault website. What does bragging about making 160k at cocktail parties add?Anonymous User wrote:PeanutsNJam wrote:How would being able to brag about making 160k at cocktail parties help employees.
Pay secrecy helps employers maintain an advantage in salary negotiations with employees. This is the reason that the NLRB protects employees' rights to discuss/disclose salaries.
Eh, you are aware the taboo exists outside of law firms? And a taboo from broader culture can exist even where its purpose is not served?PeanutsNJam wrote:
Except law firm salaries are publicly disclosed on the Vault website. What does bragging about making 160k at cocktail parties add?
It's really the opposite. I don't share my grades with people other than my closest friends because I don't want to brag about how I did when someone else might be really hurting after receiving their grades. Not worth rubbing someone else's face in it when I don't see why anyone else needs to know what my grades are. What's the benefit to that?DCfilterDC wrote:I think Americans are just generally insecure and afraid of seeming "less" than others. It's the same with grades, when asked, "what'd you get in calc 2?" Some people are just really uncomfortable sharing it. I always preferred the system in South Africa, sending out a PDF with everyone's name and grades.
I guess you're never gonna apply for another job in your life. Otherwise GL on those salary negotiationsPeanutsNJam wrote:Except law firm salaries are publicly disclosed on the Vault website. What does bragging about making 160k at cocktail parties add?Anonymous User wrote:PeanutsNJam wrote:How would being able to brag about making 160k at cocktail parties help employees.
Pay secrecy helps employers maintain an advantage in salary negotiations with employees. This is the reason that the NLRB protects employees' rights to discuss/disclose salaries.
I agree with what you said and I think that is both tactful and thoughtful. Im talking about in the context of someone asking for it not that you are volunteering that info.lawman84 wrote:It's really the opposite. I don't share my grades with people other than my closest friends because I don't want to brag about how I did when someone else might be really hurting after receiving their grades. Not worth rubbing someone else's face in it when I don't see why anyone else needs to know what my grades are. What's the benefit to that?DCfilterDC wrote:I think Americans are just generally insecure and afraid of seeming "less" than others. It's the same with grades, when asked, "what'd you get in calc 2?" Some people are just really uncomfortable sharing it. I always preferred the system in South Africa, sending out a PDF with everyone's name and grades.
I can see the benefit of employees sharing salary info but I generally don't for the same reason.
If someone asked for it, I think I'd volunteer it. Unless I somehow knew that I was getting paid significantly more than my coworkers.BrokenMouse wrote:I agree with what you said and I think that is both tactful and thoughtful. Im talking about in the context of someone asking for it not that you are volunteering that info.lawman84 wrote:It's really the opposite. I don't share my grades with people other than my closest friends because I don't want to brag about how I did when someone else might be really hurting after receiving their grades. Not worth rubbing someone else's face in it when I don't see why anyone else needs to know what my grades are. What's the benefit to that?DCfilterDC wrote:I think Americans are just generally insecure and afraid of seeming "less" than others. It's the same with grades, when asked, "what'd you get in calc 2?" Some people are just really uncomfortable sharing it. I always preferred the system in South Africa, sending out a PDF with everyone's name and grades.
I can see the benefit of employees sharing salary info but I generally don't for the same reason.
If somebody asked directly, I've got no reason to hide the info. But it's gauche as fuck to ask or tell w/o being asked. And there's generally no value on learning what one other person makes; again, glassdoor etc. is the place to share and look for that data.BrokenMouse wrote:Is this real life? Why do you think the only reason people share salary info is for bragging purposes? It goes a long way of helping each other get what you deserve and not get shitdealed in the dark.
I'm wanting to hear from people who choose not to share salaries why they don't reveal them to their colleagues and friends. What's the harm?
I think a lot of people would reveal their salary if someone wanted to know to help them in negotiating. If it's just random curiosity, they might be less inclined to share because it could make things awkward. I personally would probably not volunteer the amount, but I would always share if asked.BrokenMouse wrote:Is this real life? Why do you think the only reason people share salary info is for bragging purposes? It goes a long way of helping each other get what you deserve and not get shitdealed in the dark.
I'm wanting to hear from people who choose not to share salaries why they don't reveal them to their colleagues and friends. What's the harm?