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AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 4:29 pm
by Anonymous User
I have an offer from the AG Office of *"State I Want to Work In"*

I also have an offer to work for a multi-billion corp that has a relatively extensive legal counsel. Through nepotism, they want to hire me for the summer. The work is NOT in the market that I want, and NOT in the state I want, but I would be involved in everything from international contract disputes and deals, M&A, Subject Matter, employment and labor law, and also intellectual property, plus a whole lot more. The legal team over there is about 12 different lawyers, and the corp is spread out through a ton of different states.

My goal is to work big law, but I struck out at OCI, and my mass mailing attempts have failed completely, despite my best efforts.

I was thinking it might be a great idea to split my summer, because of the amount of legal experience I would have by the end of the summer.

Which would ultimately be more beneficial, though, for a goal of BigLaw despite not having SA ?

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:09 pm
by Anonymous User
AG--> clerkship--> biglaw is perhaps a proper route. I'm thinking about Raytheon when you are talking about big company, once you are going into In-house, you probably don't want to opt out of that magic land--that's a reverse track from normal

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:26 pm
by kellyfrost
Anonymous User wrote:I have an offer from the AG Office of *"State I Want to Work In"*

I also have an offer to work for a multi-billion corp that has a relatively extensive legal counsel. Through nepotism, they want to hire me for the summer. The work is NOT in the market that I want, and NOT in the state I want, but I would be involved in everything from international contract disputes and deals, M&A, Subject Matter, employment and labor law, and also intellectual property, plus a whole lot more. The legal team over there is about 12 different lawyers, and the corp is spread out through a ton of different states.

My goal is to work big law, but I struck out at OCI, and my mass mailing attempts have failed completely, despite my best efforts.

I was thinking it might be a great idea to split my summer, because of the amount of legal experience I would have by the end of the summer.

Which would ultimately be more beneficial, though, for a goal of BigLaw despite not having SA ?

Based on the facts and circumstances you have told us so far, my recommendation would be to take the in house gig, bust your ass, internally networks your ass off, and try to parlay it into permanent employment upon graduation.

It's too bad it isn't in the area you want to live, but having a job trumps where you want to live. Take a look at the employment statistics from any given school. Ask people on the forum. An in house gig would be an incredible job, don't pass up your shot at it.

I would turn down the AG job. It won't carry the benefits that your in house job could for helping you land a real full time job after graduation.

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 6:53 pm
by Anonymous User
The trouble with the In-House job is that it WONT lead to a job post graduation. They will require that I have law firm experience before they even consider hiring me.

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:14 pm
by kellyfrost
Anonymous User wrote:The trouble with the In-House job is that it WONT lead to a job post graduation. They will require that I have law firm experience before they even consider hiring me.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. In that case, your future is beginning to look rather desolate.

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:18 pm
by Snowy Shaw
Anonymous User wrote:The trouble with the In-House job is that it WONT lead to a job post graduation. They will require that I have law firm experience before they even consider hiring me.
Maybe not, but the lawyers working there likely came from decently sized firms. Once you get there, work your ass off and impress the people working there with your hard work and work product. It isn't a guarantee, but they might be able to put in a good word for you at their old firms.

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:20 pm
by Anonymous User
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:The trouble with the In-House job is that it WONT lead to a job post graduation. They will require that I have law firm experience before they even consider hiring me.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. In that case, your future is beginning to look rather desolate.

I mean, I go to a T-14 and have zero law school debt. I think I'll be fine, but I appreciate the true to form Top-Law consolation

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:21 pm
by Anonymous User
Is it my understanding that the AG job isn't really that helpful?

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:25 pm
by kellyfrost
Snowy Shaw wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:The trouble with the In-House job is that it WONT lead to a job post graduation. They will require that I have law firm experience before they even consider hiring me.
Maybe not, but the lawyers working there likely came from decently sized firms. Once you get there, work your ass off and impress the people working there with your hard work and work product. It isn't a guarantee, but they might be able to put in a good word for you at their old firms.

+1

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:26 pm
by kellyfrost
Anonymous User wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:The trouble with the In-House job is that it WONT lead to a job post graduation. They will require that I have law firm experience before they even consider hiring me.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. In that case, your future is beginning to look rather desolate.

I mean, I go to a T-14 and have zero law school debt. I think I'll be fine, but I appreciate the true to form Top-Law consolation
I didn't think students from T14 struggled like this. Is this situation unique amongst your classmates?

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:27 pm
by Anonymous User
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:The trouble with the In-House job is that it WONT lead to a job post graduation. They will require that I have law firm experience before they even consider hiring me.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. In that case, your future is beginning to look rather desolate.

I mean, I go to a T-14 and have zero law school debt. I think I'll be fine, but I appreciate the true to form Top-Law consolation
I didn't think students from T14 struggled like this. Is this situation unique amongst your classmates?

You would be surprised

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:32 pm
by kellyfrost
Anonymous User wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:The trouble with the In-House job is that it WONT lead to a job post graduation. They will require that I have law firm experience before they even consider hiring me.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that. In that case, your future is beginning to look rather desolate.

I mean, I go to a T-14 and have zero law school debt. I think I'll be fine, but I appreciate the true to form Top-Law consolation
I didn't think students from T14 struggled like this. Is this situation unique amongst your classmates?

You would be surprised
That's why I am asking. I'm not a law student.

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:42 pm
by bwh8813
I worked in-house at a global company that had a similar sized legal group during 2L summer, and ended up getting good BigLaw interest from mailing that summer, with multiple offers after callbacks in the fall. Just getting experience with, and being able to talk about, working with different transactional issues was very helpful even if not all relevant to the work I'd be doing at the firms.

In my mind, I'd think it depends whether you want corp or lit after graduation. AG's office seems like it'd lend itself more to lit (correct me if I'm wrong), whereas in-house more corp. At least where I worked, any lit was handled by outside counsel. Also, splitting might mean just as you're really up to speed or gain trust of attorneys you're working with, you start over at the next gig.

Re: AG and In House 2L

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:43 am
by treeey86
I had an inhouse summer internship my 2L year. The company was located in a state I did not want to be in.

I kicked-ass during the internship and networked my ass off. They wanted me back after graduation, but like I said I did not want to live in that state.

The experience I got during the internship helped me land an in-house gig after graduation.

I wanted to do transactional work all along, so being in-house for 2L summer helped me get on point experience.

If you want to do litigation then take the AG's office. But if you want to do transactional then do the inhouse job.