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Removed.

Yeah, that is disappointing.

Here is some good news from the legal world to cheer you up though.
http://www.ktvz.com/news/U-S-judge-reje ... s/38645728

speed_the_loot wrote:http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new ... l-verdict/

Disappointing.

Ugh. The jury should have to spend time on TLS and understand how 0Ls think. There is no question that they lied about employment stats.
Her case was harmed by her turning down a job offer.

Tls2016 wrote: Her case was harmed by her turning down a job offer.

This is what I don't understand. She could have been named a Supreme Court Justice fresh out of law school and it wouldn't impact whether they lied about their employment stats.

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sublime wrote:

Tiago Splitter wrote:

Tls2016 wrote: Her case was harmed by her turning down a job offer.

This is what I don't understand. She could have been named a Supreme Court Justice fresh out of law school and it wouldn't impact whether they lied about their employment stats.

Legally, I get that, but of all the possible fucking plaintiffs, they sure picked a shitty one.

Although thinking about it, is it possible that there is some harm element?

I never really picked up on the whole litigation thing but I assumed that would only affect the damages part of the equation. What exactly was the jury deciding?

sublime wrote:

Tiago Splitter wrote:

Tls2016 wrote: Her case was harmed by her turning down a job offer.

This is what I don't understand. She could have been named a Supreme Court Justice fresh out of law school and it wouldn't impact whether they lied about their employment stats.

Legally, I get that, but of all the possible fucking plaintiffs, they sure picked a shitty one.

You're absolutely right.
Something something bad facts bad law.

Article wrote:While the employment rate of graduates appeared in some rankings to be about the same as other law schools, Alaburda’s attorney during the trial said the school didn’t disclose that some of those graduates were working in book stores, restaurants, hair salons and even selling tractors.

I knew a guy who made millions of dollars selling farm equipment to shitholes in South America. Tractor guy is probably raking it in. But how do schools misrepresent employment data? Don't they just say "XX% employed at graduation"? I kind of see how that implies that those guys are employed in legal positions, but maybe it's incumbent on grown-ass adults in their mid-20s to check this shit out before shelling out the 50K/year or whatever these assholes charge.

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sublime wrote:

Nekrowizard wrote:

Article wrote:While the employment rate of graduates appeared in some rankings to be about the same as other law schools, Alaburda’s attorney during the trial said the school didn’t disclose that some of those graduates were working in book stores, restaurants, hair salons and even selling tractors.

I knew a guy who made millions of dollars selling farm equipment to shitholes in South America. Tractor guy is probably raking it in. But how do schools misrepresent employment data? Don't they just say "XX% employed at graduation"? I kind of see how that implies that those guys are employed in legal positions, but maybe it's incumbent on grown-ass adults in their mid-20s to check this shit out before shelling out the 50K/year or whatever these assholes charge.

It was a lot worse even 5 years ago. A lot of not great schools reported shit like 96% employment rate with a median private sector income of $120k. Also, in that time, the ABA disclosures included a lot less so there really was no way for them to "check this shit out" afaik.

That makes sense! I'm surprised the ABA had such lax disclosure requirements.

The school rep gets quoted that the school isn't a "fourth tier school." If that's not false advertisement, I don't know what is.

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sublime wrote:

zot1 wrote:The school rep gets quoted that the school isn't a "fourth tier school." If that's not false advertisement, I don't know what is.

"tier" doesn't really mean anything. USNWR isn't universal.

That's true. Although, this is interesting: http://abovethelaw.com/tag/fourth-tier-law-schools/.

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Schools didn't disclose how many of their own students they hired to boost their stats back then. But I don't know if that was the case at TJLS.

kellyfrost wrote: Here is some good news from the legal world to cheer you up though.
http://www.ktvz.com/news/U-S-judge-reje ... s/38645728

How is that good news?

Bottom line - buyer beware. If a 22 year old, or older individual, cannot sit down and do a few hours of due diligence on a school before shelling out 200+K then the end result is on the individual. The government needs to step in, but they won't, and the ABA has done a shit job policing these shit stain schools.

TheHill5 wrote:Bottom line - buyer beware. If a 22 year old, or older individual, cannot sit down and do a few hours of due diligence on a school before shelling out 200+K then the end result is on the individual. The government needs to step in, but they won't, and the ABA has done a shit job policing these shit stain schools.

Except 22 year olds aren't shelling out $200k, they're going $200k in to debt from a lender who will give anyone with an acceptance the cash. You're probably right that they should do some due dilligence on this debt, but frankly this is in the same ballpark as payday loans, which is basically deceptive on its face.

TheHill5 wrote:Bottom line - buyer beware. If a 22 year old, or older individual, cannot sit down and do a few hours of due diligence on a school before shelling out 200+K then the end result is on the individual. The government needs to step in, but they won't, and the ABA has done a shit job policing these shit stain schools.

At the time she entered law school a few hours of research would not have shown that the employment stats were BS. A few years ago the only people questioning the data were a few random bloggers, and they didn't have any data to contradict the data that TJSL was providing - just anecdotal stories.

MarkfromWI wrote:

kellyfrost wrote: Here is some good news from the legal world to cheer you up though.
http://www.ktvz.com/news/U-S-judge-reje ... s/38645728

How is that good news?

Because the water from the Deschutes River will not be diverted and will allow for end users to continue to use the water for irrigation and other uses. This is good news!

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Nomo wrote:

TheHill5 wrote:Bottom line - buyer beware. If a 22 year old, or older individual, cannot sit down and do a few hours of due diligence on a school before shelling out 200+K then the end result is on the individual. The government needs to step in, but they won't, and the ABA has done a shit job policing these shit stain schools.

At the time she entered law school a few hours of research would not have shown that the employment stats were BS. A few years ago the only people questioning the data were a few random bloggers, and they didn't have any data to contradict the data that TJSL was providing - just anecdotal stories.

The real problem that no one talks about is GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT in the student loan process. If student loans were left to the private sector, no one would get loans for shit schools like TJSL, which would necessarily result in law school tuition going down (particularly at shit schools). It's the government's willingness to give unlimited loan money to any dumbass on the street that is killing us (and them).

I am so thankful for the LST, LSN, TLS, and all of the other websites I have used to research law school because without them I could have ended up in that dumpster fire the ABA calls a law school.