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This seems like a poor idea. What if folks ask questions about the wedding and/or want to see pictures? What if pics of him at the graduation show up on facebook? Even if he's not friends with associates, you'll most likely be friends with other summers.lurklaw wrote:It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
Why is an undergrad being allowed to give (incredibly stupid) advice in the employment forum?It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
Easy. You answer the questions because you've been expecting them. "Sorry, no pictures--I accidentally left my phone in my hotel room before the reception." And I'm assuming that OP has rid himself of facebook like any good SA should.emkay625 wrote:This seems like a poor idea. What if folks ask questions about the wedding and/or want to see pictures? What if pics of him at the graduation show up on facebook? Even if he's not friends with associates, you'll most likely be friends with other summers.lurklaw wrote:It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
This is truly truly a terribly dumb idealurklaw wrote:It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
acr wrote:This is truly truly a terribly dumb idealurklaw wrote:It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
acr wrote:Full-disclaimer: I'm a WUSTL 1L but I can help answer this question.
I targeted Des Moines for this summer. I'm from the area originally, still have family there, went to Iowa for undergrad, and have extensive work experience in the Des Moines market.
I did well at WUSTL 1st semester, but not great (Top 20%). I was denied for a 1L SA at all of the noteworthy firms in Des Moines, and had a few callbacks here and there.
I got an offer from the Iowa AG but decided to do PI in Chicago this summer instead. Unless you have ties to Des Moines, do exceptionally well first semester, and are diverse, I would not count on landing a firm or anything competitive in Des Moines. Despite being reassured by my CSO and people in the Des Moines legal market that I would land something, I found it exceedingly difficult. It's an incredibly small legal market and the largest firm there hired less than 10 summer associates last year. And it's not exactly a robust PI market.
Also, the US Attorney's Office for SDIA (which is in Des Moines) has a weird hiring process as well. By the time I even looked at their page to apply it was too late.
It's terrible advice. A family event is definitely something that any sane, rational human being can understand asking for a day off to attend. If partners at the OPs firm aren't sane and rational to that extent, then they'll find something else to get upset about.lurklaw wrote:Easy. You answer the questions because you've been expecting them. "Sorry, no pictures--I accidentally left my phone in my hotel room before the reception." And I'm assuming that OP has rid himself of facebook like any good SA should.emkay625 wrote:This seems like a poor idea. What if folks ask questions about the wedding and/or want to see pictures? What if pics of him at the graduation show up on facebook? Even if he's not friends with associates, you'll most likely be friends with other summers.lurklaw wrote:It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
The point is that OP's sister's HS graduation is not an event that folks in biglaw universally will consider important. If one curmudgeon partner happens to think OP is skipping work for the wrong reasons, then it could become an issue for OP.
Sane and rational. Like someone who would no offer an SA for not wearing proper boating footwear?kalvano wrote:It's terrible advice. A family event is definitely something that any sane, rational human being can understand asking for a day off to attend. If partners at the OPs firm aren't sane and rational to that extent, then they'll find something else to get upset about.lurklaw wrote:Easy. You answer the questions because you've been expecting them. "Sorry, no pictures--I accidentally left my phone in my hotel room before the reception." And I'm assuming that OP has rid himself of facebook like any good SA should.emkay625 wrote:This seems like a poor idea. What if folks ask questions about the wedding and/or want to see pictures? What if pics of him at the graduation show up on facebook? Even if he's not friends with associates, you'll most likely be friends with other summers.lurklaw wrote:It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
The point is that OP's sister's HS graduation is not an event that folks in biglaw universally will consider important. If one curmudgeon partner happens to think OP is skipping work for the wrong reasons, then it could become an issue for OP.
But to lie about where you're going is a terrible idea in all facets.
Thanks for proving my point - if a partner is an ass and doesn't like you, they'll find something to justify it.lurklaw wrote:Sane and rational. Like someone who would no offer an SA for not wearing proper boating footwear?
OP, if you don't want to tell the firm it's your sister's wedding, then my advice: don't go at all.
You're expecting this person to concoct a full fake story about this wedding? Invent a groom, invent a love story for the couple, get all the wedding details down in his head (food, flowers, dress, type of ceremony, music at reception, where are they honeymooning, etc.). Also he'd basically have to invent a fake sibling because it's unlikely his 18-year old sister would be getting married. Then this fake sibling would have to stay with him forever if he accepted employment at this firm.lurklaw wrote:Easy. You answer the questions because you've been expecting them. "Sorry, no pictures--I accidentally left my phone in my hotel room before the reception." And I'm assuming that OP has rid himself of facebook like any good SA should.emkay625 wrote:This seems like a poor idea. What if folks ask questions about the wedding and/or want to see pictures? What if pics of him at the graduation show up on facebook? Even if he's not friends with associates, you'll most likely be friends with other summers.lurklaw wrote:It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
The point is that OP's sister's HS graduation is not an event that folks in biglaw universally will consider important. If one curmudgeon partner happens to think OP is skipping work for the wrong reasons, then it could become an issue for OP.
Only if you get caught.Mlk&Ckies wrote:Ask like an adult and they'll either say yes or no, and no one will care.
Concoct a fake wedding as a cover, and you'll be remembered as that weirdo who lied for no reason about something no one cares about.
Your lie strategy isn't even logically sound. The kid sister can literally only graduate high school once, but she'll get married AT LEAST twice, like any normal person.lurklaw wrote:Only if you get caught.Mlk&Ckies wrote:Ask like an adult and they'll either say yes or no, and no one will care.
Concoct a fake wedding as a cover, and you'll be remembered as that weirdo who lied for no reason about something no one cares about.
This. OP, if you haven't figured it out yet, Lurklaw is an undergrad who has absolutely zero idea what he is talking about and were I not to give him the benefit of doubt about his ignorance, I would conclude that he is intentionally trying to lead you astray for his own amusement. The correct answer is yes, it is absolutely fine to ask and most likely they will say yes and no one will care.Paul Campos wrote:Why is an undergrad being allowed to give (incredibly stupid) advice in the employment forum?It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
Glasseyes wrote:Your lie strategy isn't even logically sound. The kid sister can literally only graduate high school once, but she'll get married AT LEAST twice, like any normal person.lurklaw wrote:Only if you get caught.Mlk&Ckies wrote:Ask like an adult and they'll either say yes or no, and no one will care.
Concoct a fake wedding as a cover, and you'll be remembered as that weirdo who lied for no reason about something no one cares about.
Don't listen to the pathological weirdo, OP.
I'm a lawyer, bro.Avian wrote:This. OP, if you haven't figured it out yet, Lurklaw is an undergrad who has absolutely zero idea what he is talking about and were I not to give him the benefit of doubt about his ignorance, I would conclude that he is intentionally trying to lead you astray for his own amusement. The correct answer is yes, it is absolutely fine to ask and most likely they will say yes and no one will care.Paul Campos wrote:Why is an undergrad being allowed to give (incredibly stupid) advice in the employment forum?It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
Then you really have no excuse for the awful advice except that I now suspect you are trolling. Again, OP please heed the proper advice from multiple people in this thread.lurklaw wrote:I'm a lawyer, bro.Avian wrote:This. OP, if you haven't figured it out yet, Lurklaw is an undergrad who has absolutely zero idea what he is talking about and were I not to give him the benefit of doubt about his ignorance, I would conclude that he is intentionally trying to lead you astray for his own amusement. The correct answer is yes, it is absolutely fine to ask and most likely they will say yes and no one will care.Paul Campos wrote:Why is an undergrad being allowed to give (incredibly stupid) advice in the employment forum?It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
Would you have asked to skip work during your SA to attend your sister's HS graduation?Avian wrote:Then you really have no excuse for the awful advice except that I now suspect you are trolling. Again, OP please heed the proper advice from multiple people in this thread.lurklaw wrote:I'm a lawyer, bro.Avian wrote:This. OP, if you haven't figured it out yet, Lurklaw is an undergrad who has absolutely zero idea what he is talking about and were I not to give him the benefit of doubt about his ignorance, I would conclude that he is intentionally trying to lead you astray for his own amusement. The correct answer is yes, it is absolutely fine to ask and most likely they will say yes and no one will care.Paul Campos wrote:Why is an undergrad being allowed to give (incredibly stupid) advice in the employment forum?It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.
Yes, and more to the point, I know people who did do this and it was absolutely fine.lurklaw wrote:Would you have asked to skip work during your SA to attend your sister's HS graduation?Avian wrote:Then you really have no excuse for the awful advice except that I now suspect you are trolling. Again, OP please heed the proper advice from multiple people in this thread.lurklaw wrote:I'm a lawyer, bro.Avian wrote:This. OP, if you haven't figured it out yet, Lurklaw is an undergrad who has absolutely zero idea what he is talking about and were I not to give him the benefit of doubt about his ignorance, I would conclude that he is intentionally trying to lead you astray for his own amusement. The correct answer is yes, it is absolutely fine to ask and most likely they will say yes and no one will care.Paul Campos wrote:Why is an undergrad being allowed to give (incredibly stupid) advice in the employment forum?It's probably fine to ask for a day off, provided that you follow the advice of the other posters ITT, but you should consider telling the firm that it's your sister's wedding instead.