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what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:43 am
by victortsoi
So I've extended my westlaw till november after graduation, and recently found a solo who needs help with cases, including research help, for work while I keep looking for a more permanent job. My question is, what do I do when my westlaw expires? Are there any resources for me to be able to do legal research from home?
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:06 am
by Jchance
Contact Westlaw and tell them about your situation, they might be able to help.
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 12:39 pm
by lawschoolftw
Check out law libraries as well. Many have expansive subscriptions to WL.
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:22 pm
by RaceJudicata
Westlaw almost certainly will not be willing to help... Ever print something out and notice at the top it says "for educational use only"? It isn't meant to be used for work at a firm. Of course very few people follow this rule.
Also, what kind of firm doing any sort of litigation doesn't have a basic/state law only subscription to westlaw or lexis?
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:49 pm
by ditch digger
Your Bar Association's website should have a free online research database.
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:54 pm
by ditch digger
RaceJudicata wrote:Also, what kind of firm doing any sort of litigation doesn't have a basic/state law only subscription to westlaw or lexis?
It's a lot more common that you would imagine. A lot of small firm partners are stingy as fuck.
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:22 pm
by Icculus
RaceJudicata wrote:Westlaw almost certainly will not be willing to help... Ever print something out and notice at the top it says "for educational use only"? It isn't meant to be used for work at a firm. Of course very few people follow this rule.
Also, what kind of firm doing any sort of litigation doesn't have a basic/state law only subscription to westlaw or lexis?
This. If you contact West they may just pull your subscription if they they think you are using it for work.
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 2:25 pm
by lacrossebrother
Try signing up for bloomberg and/or ravel (lol) and saying youre graduating in 2016.
Sign up for fastcase and casetext for free
edit to add: the fact that it took this many posts to even mention fastcase is absurd. people on TLS are just not that helpful.
DFTHREAD
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:13 pm
by Desert Fox
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:18 pm
by A. Nony Mouse
lacrossebrother wrote:Try signing up for bloomberg and/or ravel (lol) and saying youre graduating in 2016.
Sign up for fastcase and casetext for free
edit to add: the fact that it took this many posts to even mention fastcase is absurd. people on TLS are just not that helpful mostly students or working at institutions with Westlaw/Lexis subscriptions, for better or worse.
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:55 pm
by lacrossebrother

fair.
But seriously, both fastcase and castext are tremendous. I actually made a thread trying to encourage TLS users to use Castext and thus contribute to its WeCite engine --effectively a crowd-sourced shepardization tool.
edit to add: I need to give myself more credit for being the most helpful poster rather than degrade the helpfulness of other, less helpful posters.
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:41 am
by MCFC
No help to the OP, but this story made me think of this thread.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/us/ha ... .html?_r=1
Now, in a digital-age sacrifice intended to serve grand intentions, the Harvard librarians are slicing off the spines of all but the rarest volumes and feeding some 40 million pages through a high-speed scanner. They are taking this once unthinkable step to create a complete, searchable database of American case law that will be offered free on the Internet, allowing instant retrieval of vital records that usually must be paid for
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:51 am
by Nebby
MCFC wrote:No help to the OP, but this story made me think of this thread.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/us/ha ... .html?_r=1
Now, in a digital-age sacrifice intended to serve grand intentions, the Harvard librarians are slicing off the spines of all but the rarest volumes and feeding some 40 million pages through a high-speed scanner. They are taking this once unthinkable step to create a complete, searchable database of American case law that will be offered free on the Internet, allowing instant retrieval of vital records that usually must be paid for
Ivy Leaguers and their Ivory To..... wait. Awesome!
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:59 pm
by 03152016
google scholar is good
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:02 pm
by ballouttacontrol
Why can't some reddit/4chan types just download every single thing off of Westlaw from like a handful of student accounts and put it up on piratebay or something? Like why tf has this not been done yet
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:05 pm
by fats provolone
ballouttacontrol wrote:Why can't some reddit/4chan types just download every single thing off of Westlaw from like a handful of student accounts and put it up on piratebay or something? Like why tf has this not been done yet
worked out awesome for aaron swartz
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:36 pm
by lacrossebrother
ballouttacontrol wrote:Why can't some reddit/4chan types just download every single thing off of Westlaw from like a handful of student accounts and put it up on piratebay or something? Like why tf has this not been done yet
if you're just talking about caselaw, courtlistener, casetext, and google scholar have done a pretty job.
and RECAP is a good start on PACER.
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:20 am
by Bron Burgundy
Find a friend who is still in law school and borrow their account. Buy them lunch, mentor them, or do whatever to get access to their westlaw account.
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:44 am
by Anonymous User
Bron Burgundy wrote:Find a friend who is still in law school and borrow their account. Buy them lunch, mentor them, or do whatever to get access to their westlaw account.
I was thinking about doing this, but is Westlaw like Netflix or iTunes, where you can only be on so many devices?
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:53 pm
by k5220
Anonymous User wrote:Bron Burgundy wrote:Find a friend who is still in law school and borrow their account. Buy them lunch, mentor them, or do whatever to get access to their westlaw account.
I was thinking about doing this, but is Westlaw like Netflix or iTunes, where you can only be on so many devices?
you can only be signed on to one session at a time. you can't even have westlaw open in multiple browsers, so multiple locations wouldn't work.
Re: what to do when westlaw expires?
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:45 am
by Bron Burgundy
k5220 wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Bron Burgundy wrote:Find a friend who is still in law school and borrow their account. Buy them lunch, mentor them, or do whatever to get access to their westlaw account.
I was thinking about doing this, but is Westlaw like Netflix or iTunes, where you can only be on so many devices?
you can only be signed on to one session at a time. you can't even have westlaw open in multiple browsers, so multiple locations wouldn't work.
That's true, but I was fortunate to find a friend who wasn't working and didn't do law review, so they barely used their westlaw account. There were a couple of time when I got kicked out of westlaw when they logged in. Not ideal, but still better than nothing.