UChicago OCI 2015 Forum

[Anonymous User]

who should we be emailing if we didn't get an interview spot and would like to try emaling before open sign-ups.
I missed a lot of NY firms as well and was wondering who I should be reaching out to (same person as I did for mass mails from NALP?)

thanks

[N.P.H.]

who should we be emailing if we didn't get an interview spot and would like to try emaling before open sign-ups.
I missed a lot of NY firms as well and was wondering who I should be reaching out to (same person as I did for mass mails from NALP?)

thanks

I never personally did this and I didn't have any close friends do it, so I'm going to let someone else answer, but my guess would be recruiting.

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If you have 14-16 interviews don't freak out. From what I remember, during the second-week there were TONS of open sign ups people weren't even taking because they were tired of interviewing (or convinced themselves they would interview better if they had fewer interviews).

Really focus on open sign-ups and come early every day to ask firms to squeeze you in until you feel comfortable. Shoot some mass mails to firms that aren't coming. The worst that can happen is someone says no. This entire process is about hustling.
Do we really have no mass mail CBs yet? None reported as far as I've seen. I'll just reiterate how much better it feels when you have an offer going into OCI. Much easier to interview when you don't think you have a bullet to your head. Get at it.

Check out the OCI alums thread for interview answer tips and start prepping your answers.

[Tiny Dancer]

who should we be emailing if we didn't get an interview spot and would like to try emaling before open sign-ups.
I missed a lot of NY firms as well and was wondering who I should be reaching out to (same person as I did for mass mails from NALP?)

thanks

Email legal recruiting at the firms. It worked for me last year.

[Anonymous User]

Just curious, is there a general callback to offer ratio? Is it true that if you get invited for a callback the offer is yours to lose or is there more nunance to that?

[Mad Hatter]

Just curious, is there a general callback to offer ratio? Is it true that if you get invited for a callback the offer is yours to lose or is there more nunance to that?

There was a spreadsheet from Columbia that had ratios. Try looking around for it; I'll see if I still have it.

[skers]

Just curious, is there a general callback to offer ratio? Is it true that if you get invited for a callback the offer is yours to lose or is there more nunance to that?

Depends on the firm. PW and S&C for example are essentially auto-offer.

[Anonymous User]

@Madhatter,

Great thanks! If you can't find it, where should I look for it?

[Mad Hatter]

@Madhatter,

Great thanks! If you can't find it, where should I look for it?

Found it:

http://www.law.columbia.edu/null/downlo ... _id=611272

It's an older chart, but it checks out.

[lawlschool1l]

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[Anonymous User]

Awesome thanks, it seems like most firms are 50% or higher.

[Anonymous User]

Firms with 10 or more offers by CB to offer ratio in the Columbia spreadsheet

1 Sullivan & Cromwell LLP (New York, NY) 95.0%
2 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher, & Flom (New York, NY) 77.6%
3 Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP (New York, NY) 76.1%
4 Covington & Burling (New York, NY) 73.9%
5 Debevoise & Plimpton LLP (New York, NY) 71.9%
6 Latham & Watkins LLP (New York, NY) 68.0%
7 Simpson Thacher & bartlett llp (New York, NY) 67.6%
8 Ropes & Gray (New York, NY) 66.7%
9 proskauer rose llp (New York, NY) 65.6%
10 sidley austin llp (New York, NY) 63.6%
11 paul hastings llp (New York, NY) 63.3%
12 Weil Gotshal & Manges LLP (New York, NY) 62.5%
13 Clifford Chance US LLP (New York, NY) 59.1%
14 Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP (New York, NY) 59.0%
15 Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP (New York, NY) 58.7%
16 Fried Frank Harris Shriver & Jacobson LLP (New York, NY) 58.6%
17 Schulte Roth & Zabel LLP (New York, NY) 58.3%
18 Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LLP (New York, NY) 56.5%
19 Shearman & Sterling LLP (New York, NY) 55.6%
20 Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft LLP (New York, NY) 53.6%
21 Allen & Overy LLP (New York, NY) 52.6%
22 Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP (New York, NY) 51.1%
23 Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton (New York, NY) 50.7%
24 Kaye Scholer LLP (New York, NY) 50.0%
25 Cahill Gordon & Reindel LLP (New York, NY) 47.8%
26 Milbank Tweed Hadley & McCloy LLP (New York, NY) 47.1%
27 Kirkland & Ellis LLP (New York, NY) 42.3%

edit: oops didn't mean to anon, this is Robb

[Anonymous User]

I ended up with 22/26 (19 NY, 3 LA). I don't want to post everything so I am only going to post my misses and some of my surprise hits:

Misses:

Milbank NY at 15
White and Case NY at 16
Sidley NY at 17
Freshfields NY at 24

Surprise hits:

Fried Frank NY at 12
Ropes and Gray NY at 14
Jones Day NY at 18
Allen and Overy NY at 20

[Anonymous User]

Hit 20/50 firms bid

Below are all NY

1 Kirkland & Ellis LLP 21 Hit
2 proskauer rose llp 21 Hit
3 Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP 42 Hit
4 Shearman & Sterling LLP 21 Hit
5 Latham & Watkins LLP 31 Hit
6 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP 21 Hit
7 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP and Affiliates 42 Hit
8 Sullivan & Cromwell LLP 42 Hit
9 Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP 42 Hit
10 Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP 42 Hit
11 Simpson Thacher & bartlett llp 60 Hit
12 Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy LLP 21 Hit
13 White & Case 21 Miss
14 Debevoise & Plimpton LLP 63 Hit
15 Cadwalader 21 Miss
16 Ropes 42 Miss
17 Fried Frank 42 Hit
18 WilmerHale 21 Miss
19 Dechert 21 Miss
20 Sidley Austin 21 Miss
21 Jones Day 21 Hit
22 Mayer Brown 11 Miss
23 OMM 7 Hit

Also got Wachtell at 40 lol
Hit Axin at 41 (no interest, last interview, will probably cancel)
Also hit a few hometown firms but omitting for anonymity reasons

[beepboopbeep]

Axinn's really good but they'll hire like 2-3 summers across the whole firm, fairly safe drop if you aren't 100% gungho on antitrust or ip

man y'all are so paranoid about getting outed by your bids somehow, i don't get it. It's anon-posted and not like you're listing grades/LR/etc along with it.

[Anonymous User]

Should students even be worrying about mass mailings at Chicago?

[Anonymous User]

Do you mean should we be mass mailing firms that are located in Chicago, or are you asking if it's worth it for UChicago students to mass mail in general?

If the latter then I say yes. I have had a lot of success with it so far in a secondary market.

[2014]

I'd say a solid ~20% of people who go to firms from UChi get their jobs outside of OCI. Some of them had OCI options as well, but it doesn't take much effort to mass mail and if you end up in that group that strikes out at OCI but didn't mass mail you will potentially have a careers worth of regrets, as morbid as that sounds. By the time you know that OCI is not going to work out for you it's mostly too late to mass mail.

[Anonymous User]

honestly, u chicago stinks for employment prospects if you're targeting a market other than ny/dc/la/Chicago. and even people targeting chicago have a hard time getting quality firm jobs. if you want to work in another market, mass mailing is the way to go.

[beepboopbeep]

honestly, u chicago stinks for employment prospects if you're targeting a market other than ny/dc/la/Chicago. and even people targeting chicago have a hard time getting quality firm jobs. if you want to work in another market, mass mailing is the way to go.

No real objections to the first part--we put most of the class into biglaw and it's mostly those four + Texas/Bay Area where our class ends up (I mean, that's where the biglaw jobs are; I guess we aren't putting much into Philly/Boston, but it does happen). The second part seems fairly inaccurate. Like 60+ people per class year end up in firm gigs in Chicago. It's definitely a smaller/tougher market than people think but I'd guess the majority looking for Chi get it without having exceptionally busted ass.

I didn't massmail and I regret not doing it. Especially if you can swing an offer before OCI starts, it'd relieve so much pressure and cut out a lot of the bullshit of like, ok well I don't really want to work here but I'd take it over nothing so I'll still do the screener/CB. And there are a lot of good firms that don't come, especially if you're looking for niche practice areas.

[Anonymous User]

U Chicago doesn't "stink" for other markets just because it takes a little more effort to reach those markets. Everyone wants UChicago grads and it's ridiculously easy to get callbacks and offers outside of OCI, if people just put the effort in. U Chicago remains one of the only truly national law schools, with the widest geographic impact for a degree holder.

Anyways, here are my surprises / misses /hits lower down. I ended up getting 21 / 25 bidding NY and Houston.

First 12 are all hits.

13. Fried Frank - NY HIT
14. Ropes & Gray - NY HIT
15. Paul Hastings - NY MISS
16. Norton Rose Fulbright - Houston HIT
17. Jones Day - Houston MISS
18. Jackson Walker - Houston HIT
19. Wachtell - NY (LOL HIT)
20. Locke Lord - Houston HIT
21. King & Spalding - Houston HIT
22. Mayer Brown - Houston HIT
23. BakerHostetler - Houston MISS
24. Sidley Austin - Houston HIT
25. Winston Strawn - Houston MISS

[Anonymous User]

.Double Post.

[Anonymous User]

Thoughts on scheduling a callback during OCI? I just got one through mass mailing (it really works) and there are no interviews on Friday the 14th. My last interview on Thursday should be over by the early afternoon, but I'm concerned about schedules shifting and rushing to catch a flight. On the other hand, it would be nice to walk into the second week with an offer either in hand or on the way.

[UnicornHunter]

Thoughts on scheduling a callback during OCI? I just got one through mass mailing (it really works) and there are no interviews on Friday the 14th. My last interview on Thursday should be over by the early afternoon, but I'm concerned about schedules shifting and rushing to catch a flight. On the other hand, it would be nice to walk into the second week with an offer either in hand or on the way.

Should be very easy to get to a late flight out of midway/ohare on thursday. Definitely take the CB. Congrats.

[Anonymous User]

Do it during OCI (on that Friday) and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

[Anonymous User]

Thoughts on scheduling a callback during OCI? I just got one through mass mailing (it really works) and there are no interviews on Friday the 14th. My last interview on Thursday should be over by the early afternoon, but I'm concerned about schedules shifting and rushing to catch a flight. On the other hand, it would be nice to walk into the second week with an offer either in hand or on the way.

Should be very easy to get to a late flight out of midway/ohare on thursday. Definitely take the CB. Congrats.

DEFINITELY DO IT. Firms give out offers on a first-come first-serve basis, and won't sentimentally wait around for you to be done with OCI before they make offers to the legions of other qualified candidates.